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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death

Post by Seth » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:42 pm

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JimC wrote:One can detest Batista and his ilk, agree that change (and probably violent change) was the only way forward, disapprove of aspects of the communist regime (particularly its violent and authoritarian nature at times), while still seeing aspects of current cuban society such as its healthcare system as a vast improvement over other third world countries.

One does not have to polarise into either a virulent opponent or a cheering fan boy...
Health in Cuba is a work in progress.
No, it's a work in propaganda.

As the post Castro Cuba becomes more 'commercial' as a economy the chances are its healthcare will slide into emulating the mistakes of the American dream.
Hm, why would that happen I wonder? Perhaps because government-controlled and provided health care is fiscal suicide for any nation?

Whilst there may appear to have been social progress in the past with Cuba it was the work of a very small clique rather than the grassroots of bottom up society. When the clique goes bad, motivated by self-interest, then there will be extraordinary economic changes. As we've seen with China not all change is good and people can be left behind, especially the most vulnerable - the poor.
And so capitalism should be destroyed because some people don't benefit as much as others? Typical Communitard "share the pain" illogic. By the way, "the poor" in the US are universally in a better economic and social position than "the poor" in Cuba. They are actually better off than ANYONE in Cuba other than the ruling elite. The fact is that as the economy of the US rises, so does the living standard of everyone, including "the poor," who enjoy benefits and goods that "the poor" in other areas of the world (particularly socialist places) dare not even dream of.
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Post by Seth » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:48 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death

Post by piscator » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:22 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:38 am

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Are you under the mistaken impression that I approve of what Batista did?
No. You disapprove of what Che did, despite supporting the exact same concept when it comes to an alleged tyrannical US government.
In what way did I support the "exact same concept?" And which "exact same concept" are you referring to?
Violent overthrow of a tyrannical government.
Che delighted in personally executing people he didn't like, whether or not they were any sort of threat to Communism. He was a barbaric thug and conscienceless serial killer who used the excuse of counterrevolutionary opposition to the despotic tyranny of Communism as a shallow excuse to torture and kill innocent people.
According to you and Glenn Beck.. :coffee:
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:45 am

Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
China is still state socialism/capitalism. The state socialism of China allowed it to be come much more self sufficient, and importantly allowed it's own industries and education systems to mature and grow so that when international capital was freed up a bit they could survive the inflow of outside industries and capital. It's a complicated system that has analogues in Japan and Korea and good counter examples in Argentina and other sth American countries. Your efforts to reduce it to a simple 'Marxists bad; Capitalists good' is unsophisticated and frankly retarded, like one expects from juvenile libertarians.
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death

Post by Seth » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:36 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
Are you under the mistaken impression that I approve of what Batista did?
No. You disapprove of what Che did, despite supporting the exact same concept when it comes to an alleged tyrannical US government.
In what way did I support the "exact same concept?" And which "exact same concept" are you referring to?
Violent overthrow of a tyrannical government.
I'm sorry, but I was talking about Che's psychopathic personal enjoyment of random torture and murder. What the fuck are you talking about?
Che delighted in personally executing people he didn't like, whether or not they were any sort of threat to Communism. He was a barbaric thug and conscienceless serial killer who used the excuse of counterrevolutionary opposition to the despotic tyranny of Communism as a shallow excuse to torture and kill innocent people.
According to you and Glenn Beck.. :coffee:
Are you seriously suggesting that the documented history of Che's abominable actions was created by me and Glenn Beck?

Go read a fucking history book, and not one published by the Communist Party.
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Post by Seth » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:39 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
China is still state socialism/capitalism.
Funny, it calls itself Communist.
The state socialism of China allowed it to be come much more self sufficient, and importantly allowed it's own industries and education systems to mature and grow so that when international capital was freed up a bit they could survive the inflow of outside industries and capital. It's a complicated system that has analogues in Japan and Korea and good counter examples in Argentina and other sth American countries. Your efforts to reduce it to a simple 'Marxists bad; Capitalists good' is unsophisticated and frankly retarded, like one expects from juvenile libertarians.
Well, Marxists are bad. That's simply a fact. Whether capitalists are good is an entirely different question. But there is absolutely no question whatever that Marxists and Marxism are bad. Worse than bad, evil to the core actually. As are Marxism's apologists, supporters and sycophants.
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Post by Hermit » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:06 am

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Hermit wrote:Marxists are incompetent.
Cuban doctors are Marxists.
Insert obvious conclusion here.

I see how this works. Once again you are at your Lolbertardian best, Seth.
So why is it that Cuban "doctors" are not permitted to practice medicine in the US without going back to medical school?
Oh. Don't know. Note, that with the exception of doctors who got their qualifications in Canada, just about all others are required to spend years of additional schooling, including those who have practised for decades in the UK. Maybe that is so for the same reason that US "doctors" are not permitted to practice medicine in Australia (and many other countries) without going back to medical school: To ensure that they comply with the practices and standards pertaining to the relevant country.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:18 am

Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
China is still state socialism/capitalism.
Funny, it calls itself Communist.
:fp: Yes, and we know you already don't actually know what communism and socialism actually are.
The state socialism of China allowed it to be come much more self sufficient, and importantly allowed it's own industries and education systems to mature and grow so that when international capital was freed up a bit they could survive the inflow of outside industries and capital. It's a complicated system that has analogues in Japan and Korea and good counter examples in Argentina and other sth American countries. Your efforts to reduce it to a simple 'Marxists bad; Capitalists good' is unsophisticated and frankly retarded, like one expects from juvenile libertarians.
Well, Marxists are bad. That's simply a fact. Whether capitalists are good is an entirely different question. But there is absolutely no question whatever that Marxists and Marxism are bad. Worse than bad, evil to the core actually. As are Marxism's apologists, supporters and sycophants.
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You don't even know what a Marxist is. :doh: Here's a clue: it's not everyone but you and Glen Beck.
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death

Post by Seth » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:36 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:China is the 'no true Scotsman' of the "communist" world. All the deaths are the fault of socialism, and the booming economy is the work of capitalism.


Typical black-and-white fallacy with a core truth. Are the Chinese people better off financially and socially today than they were under Mao? Yes, they are. Why are they better off? Because Maoist Communism made them better off? Nope. History disproves that assertion. They are better off because Maoist Communism is a foundation of bullshit that is eroding away as the Chinese people rediscover the benefits of capitalism and find ways to shovel the shit from under their culture and nation and replace it with the firm concrete foundation of capitalism.
China is still state socialism/capitalism.
Funny, it calls itself Communist.
:fp: Yes, and we know you already don't actually know what communism and socialism actually are.
Actually, I do. Demonstrably much better than you do. I'm merely courageous enough to call a spade a spade.

You don't even know what a Marxist is. :doh: Here's a clue: it's not everyone but you and Glen Beck.
Of course I know what a Marxist is. I also know when I'm debating with Marxist useful idiots. It's a skill that comes in handy all the time, because Marxist useful idiots are everywhere, including here in this supposedly "rational" forum.
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Post by piscator » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:29 pm

Doctors are pretty useful during an Ebola outbreak. The world could give a fuck what a bunch of bollock fondlers at the goddamn Von Mises Institute have to say about it.

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Post by Seth » Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:17 am

piscator wrote:Doctors are pretty useful during an Ebola outbreak. The world could give a fuck what a bunch of bollock fondlers at the goddamn Von Mises Institute have to say about it.
Depends on whether you can reliably put "witch" before the applicable term.

I'm not saying more medical personnel aren't good, just that neither the Castro regime nor Che Guevara are in any way redeemed of their brutal, murderous, oppressive and tyrannical actions because they crank out quacks by the boatload from their shit "medical schools" and send them to Africa to spread Marxism in place of Ebola. In the long run, Marxism is far more deadly and dangerous than Ebola.
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