Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death

[cronus]

Avoid graphs showing Ebola to be exponential in the population. It isn't going like that until it is too late to do anything. We have a economy to run folks. Why let something like a pesky graph worry you from that plane journey?

[Seth]

Cuba is a communist dictatorship where dissidents are killed and buried in banana plantations by the likes of Che Guevara and his descendents in ignominy.

It's been embargoed because it's a communist dictatorship that kills anyone who criticizes it lying 90 miles off our shores and presents a clear and present danger to US security if allowed open trade.

How do you know? Someone tell you? Who?

Every credible historian and objective examiner of the historical record and contemporary evidence.

The John Birch Society is not credible.

What's your point.

When Che was still in medical school, the governments of Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama executed prisoners and buried them in cotton fields,

So what? Execution of prisoners after due process for crimes committed is substantially different from taking political dissidents out to a banana plantation and personally shooting them in the head without any sort of due process or even suspected criminal activity.

and agents of The United Fruit Company (including Juan Batista) routinely executed dissidents and buried them in banana patches all over Latin America.

Which excuses Che how, exactly?

Moreover, during the American Civil War, Robert E Lee executed thousands of American prisoners, as well as members of his own army, as did Abraham Lincoln.

Again, "everybody else is doing it" fallacy.

According to the US Census, the poverty rate for New York County (Manhattan) is 17.6%, and the poverty rate for Houston, Tx (center of the American Oil industry) is 27.9%.

Now all you have to do is specify what the criteria are for "poverty" in Manhattan and Houston versus "poverty" in Cuba. Trust me, the two metrics aren't even vaguely comparable.

[mistermack]

Now all you have to do is specify what the criteria are for "poverty" in Manhattan and Houston versus "poverty" in Cuba. Trust me, the two metrics aren't even vaguely comparable.

Quite right. How much do you need to earn in Manhattan or Houston to afford full health cover?

(clue: YOU can't afford full health cover)

[Seth]

Now all you have to do is specify what the criteria are for "poverty" in Manhattan and Houston versus "poverty" in Cuba. Trust me, the two metrics aren't even vaguely comparable.

Quite right. How much do you need to earn in Manhattan or Houston to afford full health cover?

(clue: YOU can't afford full health cover)

What does "full health cover" have to do with the criteria for "poverty" status in the U.S. versus Cuba?

I suppose it's nice that you can see a Cuban doctor for free to diagnose your scurvy and malnutrition, not that there's anything the doctor will do about it.

[laklak]

What's "full health coverage"?

[Seth]

What's "full health coverage"?

It means Cuba will give you your full share of the nation's available health-care. Which means you might get an aspirin and a roll of gauze, but only if you've lost more than 2 liters of blood.

One-hundred percent of nothing is still nothing.

[pErvinalia]

and agents of The United Fruit Company (including Juan Batista) routinely executed dissidents and buried them in banana patches all over Latin America.

Which excuses Che how, exactly?

The same pre-emptive excuse you use for "hypothesising" about when you and your tea-tard mates overthrow the evil Obama Marxist Empire.

[pErvinalia]

What's "full health coverage"?

It means Cuba will give you your full share of the nation's available health-care. Which means you might get an aspirin and a roll of gauze, but only if you've lost more than 2 liters of blood.

One-hundred percent of nothing is still nothing.

Is that right, Dr Seth?

[piscator]

Cuba is a communist dictatorship where dissidents are killed and buried in banana plantations by the likes of Che Guevara and his descendents in ignominy.

It's been embargoed because it's a communist dictatorship that kills anyone who criticizes it lying 90 miles off our shores and presents a clear and present danger to US security if allowed open trade.

How do you know? Someone tell you? Who?

Every credible historian and objective examiner of the historical record and contemporary evidence.

The John Birch Society is not credible.

What's your point.

Maybe you need to broaden your survey of the historic records to include observers who aren't Jack Ruby?

When Che was still in medical school, the governments of Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama executed prisoners and buried them in cotton fields,

So what? Execution of prisoners after due process for crimes committed is substantially different from taking political dissidents out to a banana plantation and personally shooting them in the head without any sort of due process or even suspected criminal activity.

You think Cool Hand Luke is fiction? They used to work people to death for a lot less than cuttin' the heads off parking meters in Mississippi. Nicaragua and Guatemala were worse. Pull your head out of your ass.

and agents of The United Fruit Company (including Juan Batista) routinely executed dissidents and buried them in banana patches all over Latin America.

Which excuses Che how, exactly?

Self defense, revolution, and nation building. In your vernacular, self defense against force and fraud, funded by investor groups.

Moreover, during the American Civil War, Robert E Lee executed thousands of American prisoners, as well as members of his own army, as did Abraham Lincoln.

Again, "everybody else is doing it" fallacy.

Yeah. Just about everybody who takes over a dictatorship or two by force of arms ends up capping a few nabobs to keep the rest in line. "Blood of tyrants" and all that happy shit. Mostly boils down to self-defense. I don't have to tell you it's a rough world for a charismatic young revolutionary. There's dickheads out there who'll shoot you for your wristwatch.

According to the US Census, the poverty rate for New York County (Manhattan) is 17.6%, and the poverty rate for Houston, Tx (center of the American Oil industry) is 27.9%.

Now all you have to do is specify what the criteria are for "poverty" in Manhattan and Houston versus "poverty" in Cuba. Trust me, the two metrics aren't even vaguely comparable.

What about Mexico, where they pump a shitload of oil and produce enough food to feed Africa and hasn't had a US embargo for 50 years? Nationwide poverty rate is 45.5%.
Would you like to continue comparing Cuba's poverty rate with the rest of Latin America? Or would you like to compare Cuba with other places in the world that have had long term US embargoes?

[piscator]

What's "full health coverage"?

Wake up after a debauch in Havana with a loose tooth? Go to a good dentist, there's one within a mile or two. Cost you less than $1. Questions?

[Seth]

and agents of The United Fruit Company (including Juan Batista) routinely executed dissidents and buried them in banana patches all over Latin America.

Which excuses Che how, exactly?

The same pre-emptive excuse you use for "hypothesising" about when you and your tea-tard mates overthrow the evil Obama Marxist Empire.

You need to learn to distinguish between a theoretical argument and historical facts.

[Seth]

Now all you have to do is specify what the criteria are for "poverty" in Manhattan and Houston versus "poverty" in Cuba. Trust me, the two metrics aren't even vaguely comparable.

What about Mexico, where they pump a shitload of oil and produce enough food to feed Africa and hasn't had a US embargo for 50 years? Nationwide poverty rate is 45.5%.

What about it? It's not Cuba, so it's irrelevant.

Would you like to continue comparing Cuba's poverty rate with the rest of Latin America? Or would you like to compare Cuba with other places in the world that have had long term US embargoes?

If Cuba is such a worker's paradise, why does this keep happening?

[Seth]

What's "full health coverage"?

Wake up after a debauch in Havana with a loose tooth? Go to a good dentist, there's one within a mile or two. Cost you less than $1. Questions?

Depends on your definition of "good."

And no, it does not cost you less than $1, it costs you every bit of freedom and human rights you ever had, and more, because even inferior dental care in Cuba doesn't come free.

[Seth]

What's "full health coverage"?

Wake up after a debauch in Havana with a loose tooth? Go to a good dentist, there's one within a mile or two. Cost you less than $1. Questions?

And if you think it's all that good, why are you still here. Nobody's stopping you from flying INTO Cuba. Have a nice trip, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[piscator]

What's "full health coverage"?

Wake up after a debauch in Havana with a loose tooth? Go to a good dentist, there's one within a mile or two. Cost you less than $1. Questions?

And if you think it's all that good, why are you still here. Nobody's stopping you from flying INTO Cuba. Have a nice trip, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

I've been to Cuba. No one stopped me from sailing there either.