Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death
So far.....
Ebola can infect bats, dogs, pigs, monkeys, porcupines, chimps, gorillas, antelopes, rodents and humans, so far. There's a lot of study occurring with birds, apparently the way ebola infects humans is very similar to the way that similar viruses infect birds. I don't think anyone has shown the sort of mutation in Ebola that occurs with flu, thank Dog, but I don't wouldn't want to see Ebola on the loose in China with all those pigs and chickens living cheek by jowl with humans.
Fuck I'm starting to sound like Scrumple.
http://news.discovery.com/animals/ebola ... 140730.htm
Ebola can infect bats, dogs, pigs, monkeys, porcupines, chimps, gorillas, antelopes, rodents and humans, so far. There's a lot of study occurring with birds, apparently the way ebola infects humans is very similar to the way that similar viruses infect birds. I don't think anyone has shown the sort of mutation in Ebola that occurs with flu, thank Dog, but I don't wouldn't want to see Ebola on the loose in China with all those pigs and chickens living cheek by jowl with humans.
Fuck I'm starting to sound like Scrumple.
http://news.discovery.com/animals/ebola ... 140730.htm
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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It's important to maintain some sense of perspective especially once the panic sets in and the global economy collapses. Stock up on tinned beans and bottled water. Avoid attempts at reconstructing the world you knew. The future is medieval. Limited contact, material and cultural impoverishment. Yet this will allow survivors of the plague a chance to rebuild. And it might be a genuine civilization rebuild after the coming Dark Ages in a few centuries resolves a number of difficult issues currently encountered? Much depends on you alone. You can make sensible choices and survive and tell the tale. You can be a idiot. Your choice. It matters.
What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?
Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death
And you think doing nothing is going to cost less? Yes of course it's going to be expensive. Incredibly expensive. But less expensive than the destruction of humanity.Tero wrote:You would need to pay them for that. They have regular jobs to return to. $$$$$Seth wrote:Yes, they would. So what?Tero wrote:If we were to cut off connections or make it difficult for doctors and others to get there or get out of there. They would all need to spend 30 days in quarantine getting out.
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Weaponized Anthrax spores milled to <5 microns are the classic example of airborne bioweapons. Contained in a quart glass jar, it looks and flows almost like water. Open the jar or break it into an air intake on a WTC-sized building and the powder disperses invisibly and will contaminate the entire structure in 20 minutes or less.laklak wrote:Droplets, man, droplets.
Doctors mean something different from the public when they talk about a disease being airborne. To them, it means that the disease-causing germs are so small they can live dry, floating in the air for extended periods, thus capable of traveling from person to person at a distance. When inhaled, airborne germs make their way deep into the lungs.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2 ... a-spreads/Chickenpox, measles and tuberculosis are airborne diseases. Droplets of mucus and other secretions from the nose, mouth and respiratory tract transmit other diseases, including influenza and smallpox.
When someone coughs, sneezes or, in the case of Ebola, vomits, he releases a spray of secretions into the air. This makes the infection droplet-borne. Some hospital procedures, like placing a breathing tube down a patient’s air passage to help him breathe, may do the same thing.
Droplet-borne germs can travel in these secretions to infect someone a few feet away, often through the eyes, nose or mouth. This may not seem like an important difference, but it has a big impact on how easily a germ spreads. Airborne diseases are far more transmittable than droplet-borne ones.
There have been several lab experiments where animals who were not in direct contact with each other developed the disease. Also, the virus can live for extended periods outside the body, a minimum of several hours to several days, depending on the media (blood lasts the longest). The virus is in ALL body fluids, blood, semen, tears, saliva, mucus, urine. Somebody sneezes in your face you can get it. Not as easily as the flu, as flu is a respiratory disease. More scary, to me, is somebody sneezed into their hand and opens the door. You come later and open the door, and touch your face or rub your eyes and BOOM, you're in direct contact with their bodily fluids. [/quote]
Recent studies indicate that the average person touches his face with his hands 18 times per hour. I've been trying to pay attention to how often I rub my nose, or my eyes, or scratch my face or head and the figure I read is in my opinion absolutely true.
Studies revealed that a harmless bacteria deposited on a single door knob in an office was found on nearly every other touched surface (doors, keyboards, desk drawers, etc.) within 4 hours of being placed.
Good luck Lak. We should set up an HF sked sometime...Good blog from a nurse:
http://dtolar.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/ ... rspective/
We've only been studying this disease for a couple of decades, and there have been relatively few outbreaks. We simply do not have enough data. I'm not a conspiracy theorist (well, not THAT much of one), but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the information the governments present to the public had been, well, sanitized. It shows up around here and I'm heading for Dog Island, I'll just shoot any boats getting close.
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death
Toldja I know more than you do...
Medical Research Org CIDRAP: Ebola Transmittable by Air
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by Chriss W. Street 14 Oct 2014 post a comment
The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.
CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.
CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”
In April of 2014, CIDRAP published a commentary on Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) that confirmed the disease “could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, especially in healthcare settings,” similar to the known aerosol transmission capability of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
Although CIDRAP acknowledges that they were “first skeptical that Ebola virus could be an aerosol-transmissible disease,” they are “now persuaded by a review of experimental and epidemiologic data that this might be an important feature of disease transmission, particularly in healthcare settings.”
CDC’s published “Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Virus Disease in U.S. Hospitals” states: “HCP should wear gloves, a gown, disposable shoe covers, and either a face shield that fully covers the front and sides of the face or goggles, and respiratory protection that is at least as protective as a NIOSH certified fit-tested N95 filtering facepiece respirator.”
N95 filters look like surgical masks and are defined by the U.S. Department of Labor as “disposable respirator” with a workplace protection factor (WPF) of 10. A 3M “qualified” N95 respirators rated to block 95% of airborne particles with a size greater in diameter than 5 microns is can cost as little as $.65 each.
However, the US National Institutes of Health reported in 2005 that 50% of bio-aerosols were found to be less than 5 microns in diameter. The NIH calculated that after correcting for dead space and lung deposition, “N95 filtering facepiece respirators seem inadequate against microorganisms.”
CIDRAP warns in regards to N95 respirators, “Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles.”
CIDRAP is now advising the CDC and WHO that proper “personal protective equipment (PPE) ensures that healthcare workers remain healthy throughout an outbreak.” Based on scientific research, CIDRAP recommends the minimum protection for healthcare professionals in high-risk settings is a “powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR) with a hood or helmet” that will filter 99.97% of all particles down to 0.3 microns in diameter.
But the minimum Internet-advertised price for a “qualified” 3M Veraflo respirator is $427.13, compared to about $.65 for an N95 facemask. With Liberia’s per capita GDP only $454 last year and the economy in shambles, there is no way the country’s healthcare professionals can afford to acquire the appropriate protective respirators.
Based on CIDRAP's research and the fact that Ebola cases are projected to skyrocket, it seems irresponsible that the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets are downplaying the risks of Ebola transmission.
Less than two weeks ago, the NYT's “Well” column responded to a reader's question: “Can I get Ebola from public transportation?” with “Implying that Ebola is caught as easily as flu or colds would be untrue and inflammatory.” The “Well” column, again on October 13th, responded to another question: “I’m flying soon. What is the risk of contracting Ebola on a flight?” with “Top Ebola experts have said they would not expect to be infected even if they were sitting next to another passenger with Ebola – unless that passenger actually vomited or bled on them.”
As I pointed out last week at Breitbart News, the Black Death that killed a third of all people in Europe and the Middle East in the three years from 1337 to 1340 appears to have been a “hemorrhagic fever” similar to Ebola. CIDRAP’s warning that Ebola can be spread by “infectious aerosol particles,” such as breathing, means the pandemic should be expected to continue to accelerate.
Chriss Street suggests that if you are interested in Ebola, please read EXPERTS: EBOLA OUTBREAK, BLACK DEATH 'PLAGUE' SPREAD FROM AFRICA AS VIRUSES.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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Re: Libertarian bloggers, ebola and black death
2nd transmission in Texas from the same hospital.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/te ... ?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/te ... ?hpt=hp_t1
Hmmm. Hang on, I thought CDC said any hospital in the U.S. could handle Ebola. Did I dream that?"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," NNU Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said. "We're deeply alarmed."
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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They were wrong! Science! Change protocol. All fixed. For now.
Tip for Liberia: employ all ebola survivors as nurses and body disposal crews. Pay decent salary. Get UN funding.
Tip for Liberia: employ all ebola survivors as nurses and body disposal crews. Pay decent salary. Get UN funding.
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That's not a bad idea, Tero. Immune nurses.
I blame hubris and (I cringe to actually use this phrase) implicit racism. When Ebola was running through West Africa CDC said "Never gonna happen in 'Murika! We'uns is two smart! We gots us horspitals an machines that go PING! Go on an bring 'em here, we fix 'em up!" Now we got Ebola Dog:

Dude is in full on HAZMAT to pick up a dog. Maybe Animal Control knows more than the CDC?
I blame hubris and (I cringe to actually use this phrase) implicit racism. When Ebola was running through West Africa CDC said "Never gonna happen in 'Murika! We'uns is two smart! We gots us horspitals an machines that go PING! Go on an bring 'em here, we fix 'em up!" Now we got Ebola Dog:

Dude is in full on HAZMAT to pick up a dog. Maybe Animal Control knows more than the CDC?
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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I'm not sure whether Ebola would make any difference to a dumbed down population. For example, warnings have been going out for the past few months.Tero wrote:Gubment is evil, science is run by gubment. Ever since black death. Buy more guns!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/gary ... he-empire/An Ebola pandemic will create a “distrust in government” pandemic. It did during the Black Death of 1348-50. The public lost confidence in its rulers, both civil and ecclesiastical. Historians date the birth of the Renaissance with the decade of the 1350’s. The medieval social order never recovered.
But if the following poll is anything to go by, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ3KtfU4oeE 57% of university students believe that openly infected & infective people should be allowed free access to the United States... even those showing symptoms, and should be free to wander about the streets & in public transport.
Indicative of the gross mental illness of the population is that 37% of university students would invite Ebola dying patients to come stay at their home.
So it is INEVITABLE that Ebola or a similar disease WILL be promoted, either for deliberate depopulation, fun & excitement, or due to plain, dumb malevolence or intellectual stupidity & laziness, since there is a sizable proportion of the population that WANTS it.
Most members of forums such as this are not aware that several varieties of Ebola & other infections have been developed & kept in storage. These viral/bacterial agents are ranked according to levels of infectiousness & lethality. The current Ebola strain(s) have been developed for 50% lethality, that is a means of easing the population into the compliant mindset. But various agencies have 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% & close to 100% lethality & contagiousness Ebola & other infectious agents in storage for release as & when the program calls for it. ( "Virus doses of 2000 and 200 plaque forming units (PFU)/dormouse were lethal for 100% of dormice with a mean time to death of 7.9 ± 1 and 8.7 ±1 days..." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630398/
There have now been reports that Ebola mortality in W.Africa has risen from 50% to 70%. If it is decided by those in power, even higher mortality rate versions will be released, while the ever-trusting peanuts will keep praising their lords & masters & putting every adverse outcome to necessity & unfortunate accidents & mistakes... But in reality things happen more by design than accident:
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This just shows the incredible incompetence of the people who con us into voting for them.
They want nothing more than to kill us all, and they have the perfect weapons to do just that.
And yet, all they can manage is a few thousand Africans.
It's about time we got rid of these incompetents, and voted in someone who can actually get things done.
They want nothing more than to kill us all, and they have the perfect weapons to do just that.
And yet, all they can manage is a few thousand Africans.
It's about time we got rid of these incompetents, and voted in someone who can actually get things done.
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Yep, we need an Uncle Joe or Cousin Adolf.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Without going to extremes it seems good old common sense is a thing of the past like the human race itself soon.
What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?
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laklak wrote:Yep, we need an Uncle Joe or Cousin Adolf.
Seth is standing ready to gun down however many it takes. But I think the old Einsatzgruppen Conundrum has to come into play at some time: You just can't drag people out into the streets and shoot them fast enough.
Gas is your best bang/buck, especially over the long haul.
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