Ebola is now running wild in America

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by rainbow » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:53 pm

mistermack wrote:
rainbow wrote:[
The stupidity is in that the infected person in the US didn't fly directly from Africa.
:what:
You are inventing your own stupidity there.
Seth's ''blockade'' didn't mention that it was restricted to direct flights from Africa.
Nor did my ''travel ban''.

Change the meaning of a post, and then call it stupid? That's ....... daft.
Not at all. Are you and Seth proposing to ban any fights that might have passengers that are in transit from Africa?
Would that include all of Africa?
What about people that have been in contact with an African person?
What about people that have been in contact with a person who has been in contact with a person from Africa?

Yes, it really is a stupid idea.

Stupid is when you haven't thought something through, which you and Seth failed to do.

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by mistermack » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:04 pm

rainbow wrote:
mistermack wrote:
rainbow wrote:[
The stupidity is in that the infected person in the US didn't fly directly from Africa.
:what:
You are inventing your own stupidity there.
Seth's ''blockade'' didn't mention that it was restricted to direct flights from Africa.
Nor did my ''travel ban''.

Change the meaning of a post, and then call it stupid? That's ....... daft.
Not at all. Are you and Seth proposing to ban any fights that might have passengers that are in transit from Africa?
Would that include all of Africa?
What about people that have been in contact with an African person?
What about people that have been in contact with a person who has been in contact with a person from Africa?

Yes, it really is a stupid idea.

Stupid is when you haven't thought something through, which you and Seth failed to do.

QED.
No, now YOU are making the stupid point that if a ban can't be perfect, there's no point in doing it.
Where did you get that idea from?
Nothing's perfect. But a ban would make the transmission to the US a lot less likely. So it's worth doing.
And people need a visa to enter the US. To get a visa, they can easily scrutinise your passport, to see where you've been, and stipulate that your visa is invalidated, if you have been in certain countries within a specified period. There's nothing difficult about that at all.

And I wrote earlier that I would at present ban travel from Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria. Not the whole of Africa. But that could change.

I don't think that YOU have thought it through, having missed so much of the obvious.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by Tero » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:24 pm

You get a visa for the US weeks ahead. Nothing to stop you from going to Liberia and back. Many people have two passports.

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by mistermack » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:38 pm

Tero wrote:You get a visa for the US weeks ahead. Nothing to stop you from going to Liberia and back. Many people have two passports.
Like I said, no system is perfect. That doesn't mean you don't do anything.
In any case, airlines are starting to impose their own travel ban, going by a comment in one of the linked articles, which said that the guy who carried it to the US got one of the FEW flights still operating.

All you need is for the destinations with direct flights from Liberia etc. to record arrivals, and share the information.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by Seth » Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:44 pm

rainbow wrote:
mistermack wrote:
rainbow wrote:[
The stupidity is in that the infected person in the US didn't fly directly from Africa.
:what:
You are inventing your own stupidity there.
Seth's ''blockade'' didn't mention that it was restricted to direct flights from Africa.
Nor did my ''travel ban''.

Change the meaning of a post, and then call it stupid? That's ....... daft.
Not at all. Are you and Seth proposing to ban any fights that might have passengers that are in transit from Africa?
Yup, if they have traveled to or through the hot zone.
Would that include all of Africa?
Nope, not at this point, although it may come to that.
What about people that have been in contact with an African person?
Anyone who has had contact with a person in or from the hot zone must be quarantined for minimum 14 days.
What about people that have been in contact with a person who has been in contact with a person from Africa?
Depends on the degree of contact and who the individuals contacted were.
Yes, it really is a stupid idea.

Stupid is when you haven't thought something through, which you and Seth failed to do.

QED.
You're willing to risk millions of lives to be politically correct? Your implication is that it's racism that is motivating a travel ban and quarantine. It's not, it's the disease. The fact that it's happening in Africa is entirely irrelevant. If it was happening in France or Australia I'd be saying exactly the same thing.

There needs to be a worldwide stand-still order, like they use in the UK for farmers when an outbreak of Anthrax or other communicable animal disease is discovered. Everybody need to stay where they are for two weeks to allow any escape vectors to be identified and isolated, and then ANY area that has a pool of infected persons needs to be internationally quarantined, with the use of martial law and military force if required, until the infection is controlled and all carriers identified and isolated.

You don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation. This is not a game or a political football, the survival of 70 percent of the human race is at stake and immediate, drastic and effective isolation and quarantine measures need to be undertaken right this fucking minute.

If you don't understand the risks then shut the fuck up about it because I DO understand the risks and how easily this plague can spiral out of control, resulting in millions, or billions of deaths.

The annual Islamic celebrations in Mecca alone are enough to guarantee worldwide disaster of unprecedented proportions, and should be banned until the Ebola crisis is controlled. The only way to do that is to stop ALL transmigration, worldwide, for 14 days minimum so that infection pools can be identified and effectively isolated.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by rainbow » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:48 am

Tero wrote:You get a visa for the US weeks ahead. Nothing to stop you from going to Liberia and back. Many people have two passports.
As I do.

My US visa is valid for 10 years. When I travel into central Africa, I use my other passport. Perfectly legal.
Any travel ban based on where I've been would simply mean I use the US visa passport, as would anyone not wishing to be burdened by unnecessary rules.

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by rainbow » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:51 am

Seth wrote: You're willing to risk millions of lives to be politically correct?
:what:

Millions of African lives don't matter, but I should be concerned about American lives?

Are you serious? :fp:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:40 am

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by Tyrannical » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:08 pm

Better here than in Africa, noted Liberian native Joshua Brown, as he waited for friends at Gate 53.

“I’m not worried for them,” he told The Post. ‘Because they are coming from Africa, and America is a better place to be” if you have Ebola, he noted.

“All the people brought here are cured from Ebola but there they die. America is a great country.”

Uh oh.

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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by cronus » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:55 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Better here than in Africa, noted Liberian native Joshua Brown, as he waited for friends at Gate 53.

“I’m not worried for them,” he told The Post. ‘Because they are coming from Africa, and America is a better place to be” if you have Ebola, he noted.

“All the people brought here are cured from Ebola but there they die. America is a great country.”

Uh oh.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by Seth » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:15 pm

rainbow wrote:
Seth wrote: You're willing to risk millions of lives to be politically correct?
:what:

Millions of African lives don't matter, but I should be concerned about American lives?

Are you serious? :fp:
Millions of lives do matter. Billions of lives matter. This implication that you provide that quarantining a hot zone and requiring everyone to stand still for 40 days is somehow dismissive of the plight of Africans is ridiculous. Obviously a stand-still order doesn't apply to medical aid to Africa traveling by military transport using proper isolation and decontamination precautions. It just means that civilian travel between nations should cease until the infection is under control because the cost of not doing so is orders of magnitude above what the economic costs of doing so would be in the end.

One can empathize with the plight of Africa and support emergency medical aid, which should be flowing there from every nation on earth right now while still not being naive enough to think that it's somehow racist or uncaring to quarantine the hot zone and prevent international travel EVERYWHERE to stop the outbreak.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by rainbow » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:28 am

Seth wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Seth wrote: You're willing to risk millions of lives to be politically correct?
:what:

Millions of African lives don't matter, but I should be concerned about American lives?

Are you serious? :fp:
Millions of lives do matter. Billions of lives matter. This implication that you provide that quarantining a hot zone and requiring everyone to stand still for 40 days is somehow dismissive of the plight of Africans is ridiculous. Obviously a stand-still order doesn't apply to medical aid to Africa traveling by military transport using proper isolation and decontamination precautions. It just means that civilian travel between nations should cease until the infection is under control because the cost of not doing so is orders of magnitude above what the economic costs of doing so would be in the end.

One can empathize with the plight of Africa and support emergency medical aid, which should be flowing there from every nation on earth right now while still not being naive enough to think that it's somehow racist or uncaring to quarantine the hot zone and prevent international travel EVERYWHERE to stop the outbreak.
What you said:
I think I recommended blockade of Africa some time ago.

...not
... prevent international travel EVERYWHERE to stop the outbreak
Most of Africa isn't in the "hot zone" as you put it. :whisper:
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by cronus » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:53 am

A firewall of two hundred miles around anywhere in Africa where the disease occurs - no aircraft travel except for medical and security purposes. A rigorously enforced curfew. No travel between major population centres. Special permits for essential economic movements and rural mobility curtailed unless it is seen as essential by security forces who have a option of lethal remits. A six month regime of fear in the region to prevent worldwide chaos. Necessary evils.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by Seth » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:11 am

rainbow wrote:
Seth wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Seth wrote: You're willing to risk millions of lives to be politically correct?
:what:

Millions of African lives don't matter, but I should be concerned about American lives?

Are you serious? :fp:
Millions of lives do matter. Billions of lives matter. This implication that you provide that quarantining a hot zone and requiring everyone to stand still for 40 days is somehow dismissive of the plight of Africans is ridiculous. Obviously a stand-still order doesn't apply to medical aid to Africa traveling by military transport using proper isolation and decontamination precautions. It just means that civilian travel between nations should cease until the infection is under control because the cost of not doing so is orders of magnitude above what the economic costs of doing so would be in the end.

One can empathize with the plight of Africa and support emergency medical aid, which should be flowing there from every nation on earth right now while still not being naive enough to think that it's somehow racist or uncaring to quarantine the hot zone and prevent international travel EVERYWHERE to stop the outbreak.
What you said:
I think I recommended blockade of Africa some time ago.

...not
... prevent international travel EVERYWHERE to stop the outbreak
Most of Africa isn't in the "hot zone" as you put it. :whisper:
I changed my mind.

The whole world needs to stop moving about for 40 days and 40 nights.
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Re: Ebola is now running wild in America

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:22 am

We need a flood!
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