Another shot at the case against gnus

[Tero]

But there is no test. Even 10% stupid gets us in a heap of trouble.

[Seth]

By being daily, weekly in the news.
In a sad way
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/conv ... n-25619775
or often comical way where they manage to injure themselves
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/1 ... ght-up-yet#

Again, you are asserting that all gun owners are dumb because of a very small number of idiots?

Based on that calculus, you're dumb because somebody in your country drove drunk.

Doesn't sound right to me.

[Tero]

The country is built for cars. We even need to let drunk drivers drive to work. They can drive to the bar too, as long as they were "on the way to the laundromat" with a bag of dirty laundry.

We do not need to let everyone have guns. Your analogy fails.

[Seth]

The country is built for cars.

The world is built for guns, which existed for many centuries before cars were invented. Or had that escaped your notice?

We even need to let drunk drivers drive to work.

We do? What you mean "we," paleface?

They can drive to the bar too, as long as they were "on the way to the laundromat" with a bag of dirty laundry.

Not around here they can't.

We do not need to let everyone have guns. Your analogy fails.

It's a "Bill of Rights" not a "Bill of Needs."

The reason that the 2nd Amendment exists is precisely because we DO need to let all law-abiding citizens have guns. Otherwise quite soon we end up as enslaved, servile proles who have no balls and are as worthless to society as tits on a boar.

The need pre-exists and is independent of the law that prohibits government from infringing on the right to meet that need by being armed.

[Gallstones]

Restaurant offers discount to gun carrying customers

...a popular local restaurant is bucking that trend by not only encouraging people to show off their guns, but offering a discount to those who do.

It's the Friday lunch crowd at Bergeron's with fried catfish, the top seller. Owner Kevin Cox says 500 people come through the Port Allen restaurant daily. So about two weeks ago, he started a new promotion to help some of his customers save money.

"If you have a gun on you, I'm going to give you a discount," said Cox.

The discount is 10 percent off if you show that you're carrying a gun into the restaurant. Cox said it's an idea that started with welcoming police officers with their duty weapons on their side and has now branched out to include civilians.

"My friends and relatives would come in with their guns on their holster. I felt good about that. It made me feel safer that they were there with their gun so why not include all good citizens with the officers too," said Cox.

[Tero]

The country is built for cars.

The world is built for guns, which existed for many centuries before cars were invented. Or had that escaped your notice?

We even need to let drunk drivers drive to work.

We do? What you mean "we," paleface?

They can drive to the bar too, as long as they were "on the way to the laundromat" with a bag of dirty laundry.

Not around here they can't.

We do not need to let everyone have guns. Your analogy fails.

It's a "Bill of Rights" not a "Bill of Needs."

The reason that the 2nd Amendment exists is precisely because we DO need to let all law-abiding citizens have guns. Otherwise quite soon we end up as enslaved, servile proles who have no balls and are as worthless to society as tits on a boar.

The need pre-exists and is independent of the law that prohibits government from infringing on the right to meet that need by being armed.

Stone axes have been around 20000 years or more. You can have one of those. It's a right! I'll sign the permit myself. No concealed metal tomahawks, now!!!

[Seth]

The country is built for cars.

The world is built for guns, which existed for many centuries before cars were invented. Or had that escaped your notice?

We even need to let drunk drivers drive to work.

We do? What you mean "we," paleface?

They can drive to the bar too, as long as they were "on the way to the laundromat" with a bag of dirty laundry.

Not around here they can't.

We do not need to let everyone have guns. Your analogy fails.

It's a "Bill of Rights" not a "Bill of Needs."

The reason that the 2nd Amendment exists is precisely because we DO need to let all law-abiding citizens have guns. Otherwise quite soon we end up as enslaved, servile proles who have no balls and are as worthless to society as tits on a boar.

The need pre-exists and is independent of the law that prohibits government from infringing on the right to meet that need by being armed.

Stone axes have been around 20000 years or more. You can have one of those. It's a right! I'll sign the permit myself. No concealed metal tomahawks, now!!!

The term "arms" is not limited in its scope to stone axes or handguns. I can use a stone axe or a firearm or a baseball bat or a rock to defend myself, and I have a natural right to possess any or all of them for that purpose.

[Tero]

Thankfully SOME of our bad guys are not as dumb as the average gun owner:

>>A 21-year-old Oregon man was proud enough of his brand new Walther P22 handgun that he was carrying it in the open during the wee hours of Saturday morning after purchasing it earlier in the day.

Police say another young man in grey sweatpants, a white t-shirt and flip-flops then approached and asked for a cigarette, according to CBS affiliate KOIN in Portland.

William Coleman was then told by the man in flip-flops: "I like your gun. Give it to me."

The robber then produced a gun of his own from his sweatpants' waistband, police say.

Coleman handed over the gun and the man fled on foot.<<

Lucky guy. Only lost his gun.

[piscator]

I can use a stone axe or a firearm or a baseball bat or a rock to defend myself, and I have a natural right to possess any or all of them for that purpose.

Please define your use of "Natural right" in the above, because it sounds like a bare assertion that won't endure contact with the world outside of your head.
If you decide to assert your "Natural right" against a police officer in Texas, 99.9% of the time a court will not agree with you in the aftermath, and will not only absolve you of your "natural right" to carry a weapon, but will likely take away your "Natural right" to breathe.
I was under the impression that "Natural rights" are "Inalienable"? What gives?

[Seth]

I can use a stone axe or a firearm or a baseball bat or a rock to defend myself, and I have a natural right to possess any or all of them for that purpose.

Please define your use of "Natural right" in the above, because it sounds like a bare assertion that won't endure contact with the world outside of your head.

My "natural right" to self defense is based in my status as a living organism biologically evolved to use whatever is available to defend my life.

If you decide to assert your "Natural right" against a police officer in Texas, 99.9% of the time a court will not agree with you in the aftermath, and will not only absolve you of your "natural right" to carry a weapon, but will likely take away your "Natural right" to breathe.
I was under the impression that "Natural rights" are "Inalienable"? What gives?

If a police officer is trying to unlawfully murder me, I have every right to use lethal force in self defense. Having a natural right to self defense does not imply that the right to exercise lethal force is unconstrained or unlimited in human society. One must, in human society, have legally justifiable cause to employ lethal force if one is to avoid the consequences of the law.

[piscator]

I can use a stone axe or a firearm or a baseball bat or a rock to defend myself, and I have a natural right to possess any or all of them for that purpose.

Please define your use of "Natural right" in the above, because it sounds like a bare assertion that won't endure contact with the world outside of your head.

My "natural right" to self defense is based in my status as a living organism biologically evolved to use whatever is available to defend my life.

If you decide to assert your "Natural right" against a police officer in Texas, 99.9% of the time a court will not agree with you in the aftermath, and will not only absolve you of your "natural right" to carry a weapon, but will likely take away your "Natural right" to breathe.
I was under the impression that "Natural rights" are "Inalienable"? What gives?

If a police officer is trying to unlawfully murder me, I have every right to use lethal force in self defense. Having a natural right to self defense does not imply that the right to exercise lethal force is unconstrained or unlimited in human society. One must, in human society, have legally justifiable cause to employ lethal force if one is to avoid the consequences of the law.

If you want to polish that up a little, you could cite Thomas Jefferson's distinction between Justice and Self Preservation.
But I don't think it'll hold water in court. Best to keep lethal acts of self preservation out of the purview of the courts, right?

[Seth]

But I don't think it'll hold water in court.

It will and it has.

[Tero]

Lone gunman shot at Canadian parliament.

Control of guns from the hands of nuts and low IQ people still not working well. But at least we SHOT him.

[Seth]

Lone gunman shot at Canadian parliament.

Control of guns from the hands of nuts and low IQ people still not working well. But at least we SHOT him.

What do you mean "we"?

You didn't shoot at anything. Your armed police who are on guard 24/7 at Parliament used their government-issued, government-controlled firearms. And they only did so because they were posted there for that purpose. Do you have a Mountie posted outside YOUR door 24/7? Do you have one traveling with you 24/7? Does anyone but dignitaries and politicians have 24/7 armed security provided them for free?

Of course not.

So, while Parliament, Politicians and dignitaries have armed protection at their command, you, and every other Canadian, and every citizen of the UK, is just completely fucked if some nut with a rifle shoots at them, or you.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away....

[Tero]

That's right we. When you go nuts with your gun next door, I call the police to come and take you away. I pay them to do that.