Where's Red Celt when you want a laugh!?

[John_fi_Skye]

Well, thanks, BBC: for a pro-union organisation, I'm sure you've gone as far as you could. After Salmond had wiped the floor with Darling in tonight's televised debate, we were told it had been "more even" than three weeks ago, and that Salmond's supporters "would be happier tonight." Now, we just need the electorate to see sense on the 18th of next month, and get us out of this pernicious straitjacket, and into a situation where we're making our own decisions.

I'm still not confident, but I'm a bit less despondent, and a bit more hopeful.

[mistermack]

I don't think Salmond won the debate by much.
Maybe in the eyes of gullible people he did. He managed to get away with a more deceitful message than last time. But the impression he left on the night won't be the final word. What was said will be picked over.
He pretended that he'd answered the question of plan B for the currency, without actually answering. He listed three OPTIONS without naming any of them as an actual plan.

People who wanted an answer to that question will be none the wiser. I suspect that the don't knows will still be don't knows after that performance.

To be honest, I'm coming round to kind of hoping for a yes vote. I know it would be a bummer for all concerned, but I'm beginning to think it would be good entertainment.
Salmond shouting that ''they can't stop us using the pound'' will come back to haunt him, when he tries to negotiate a currency union.
The English and Welsh can just say ''ok, use it then''. If he does do that, Scotland's financial services sector is fucked. And his cost of borrowing would go through the roof.
I'm rather warming to the idea.

[John_fi_Skye]

I don't think Salmond won the debate by much.
Maybe in the eyes of gullible people he did. He managed to get away with a more deceitful message than last time. But the impression he left on the night won't be the final word. What was said will be picked over.
He pretended that he'd answered the question of plan B for the currency, without actually answering. He listed three OPTIONS without naming any of them as an actual plan.

People who wanted an answer to that question will be none the wiser. I suspect that the don't knows will still be don't knows after that performance.

To be honest, I'm coming round to kind of hoping for a yes vote. I know it would be a bummer for all concerned, but I'm beginning to think it would be good entertainment.
Salmond shouting that ''they can't stop us using the pound'' will come back to haunt him, when he tries to negotiate a currency union.
The English and Welsh can just say ''ok, use it then''. If he does do that, Scotland's financial services sector is fucked. And his cost of borrowing would go through the roof.
I'm rather warming to the idea.

I'm so glad you've been converted. I don't mind why. Let's hope for lots of people voting yes for cynical reasons.

[mistermack]

I don't think Salmond won the debate by much.
Maybe in the eyes of gullible people he did. He managed to get away with a more deceitful message than last time. But the impression he left on the night won't be the final word. What was said will be picked over.
He pretended that he'd answered the question of plan B for the currency, without actually answering. He listed three OPTIONS without naming any of them as an actual plan.

People who wanted an answer to that question will be none the wiser. I suspect that the don't knows will still be don't knows after that performance.

To be honest, I'm coming round to kind of hoping for a yes vote. I know it would be a bummer for all concerned, but I'm beginning to think it would be good entertainment.
Salmond shouting that ''they can't stop us using the pound'' will come back to haunt him, when he tries to negotiate a currency union.
The English and Welsh can just say ''ok, use it then''. If he does do that, Scotland's financial services sector is fucked. And his cost of borrowing would go through the roof.
I'm rather warming to the idea.

I'm so glad you've been converted. I don't mind why. Let's hope for lots of people voting yes for cynical reasons.

I wouldn't vote yes if I lived in Scotland. But the rest of the UK will do well out of it.
However, Scottish voters can't afford to take it lightly.

[John_fi_Skye]

I don't think Salmond won the debate by much.
Maybe in the eyes of gullible people he did. He managed to get away with a more deceitful message than last time. But the impression he left on the night won't be the final word. What was said will be picked over.
He pretended that he'd answered the question of plan B for the currency, without actually answering. He listed three OPTIONS without naming any of them as an actual plan.

People who wanted an answer to that question will be none the wiser. I suspect that the don't knows will still be don't knows after that performance.

To be honest, I'm coming round to kind of hoping for a yes vote. I know it would be a bummer for all concerned, but I'm beginning to think it would be good entertainment.
Salmond shouting that ''they can't stop us using the pound'' will come back to haunt him, when he tries to negotiate a currency union.
The English and Welsh can just say ''ok, use it then''. If he does do that, Scotland's financial services sector is fucked. And his cost of borrowing would go through the roof.
I'm rather warming to the idea.

I'm so glad you've been converted. I don't mind why. Let's hope for lots of people voting yes for cynical reasons.

I wouldn't vote yes if I lived in Scotland. But the rest of the UK will do well out of it.
However, Scottish voters can't afford to take it lightly.

The very fact that a turnout of 80% is being widely predicted suggests that we are. It'll be interesting to see how the eventual actual percentage compares with those of recent Westminster elections, and Euro elections. Ha ha.

[John_fi_Skye]

I don't think Salmond won the debate by much.
Maybe in the eyes of gullible people he did. He managed to get away with a more deceitful message than last time. But the impression he left on the night won't be the final word. What was said will be picked over.
He pretended that he'd answered the question of plan B for the currency, without actually answering. He listed three OPTIONS without naming any of them as an actual plan.

People who wanted an answer to that question will be none the wiser. I suspect that the don't knows will still be don't knows after that performance.

To be honest, I'm coming round to kind of hoping for a yes vote. I know it would be a bummer for all concerned, but I'm beginning to think it would be good entertainment.
Salmond shouting that ''they can't stop us using the pound'' will come back to haunt him, when he tries to negotiate a currency union.
The English and Welsh can just say ''ok, use it then''. If he does do that, Scotland's financial services sector is fucked. And his cost of borrowing would go through the roof.
I'm rather warming to the idea.

I'm so glad you've been converted. I don't mind why. Let's hope for lots of people voting yes for cynical reasons.

I wouldn't vote yes if I lived in Scotland. But the rest of the UK will do well out of it.
However, Scottish voters can't afford to take it lightly.

The very fact that a turnout of 80% is being widely predicted suggests that we are. It'll be interesting to see how the eventual actual percentage compares with those of recent Westminster elections, and Euro elections. Ha ha.

I've forgotten how to edit a post. Obviously, I meant, "The very fact that a turnout of 80% is being widely predicted suggests that we aren't" (taking it lightly.) It's a good job my political judgment's better than my English.

[Svartalf]

Wow, a Sunday Times poll says there are more people in favour of independence than against, and it makes the French news.

[klr]

The French are looking very nervously at Brittany.

Except for the Bretons of course ...

[Svartalf]

I can't believe how much coverage the French news are giving this all of a sudden... fears of Europe Balkanizing run rampant, but no talk at all of Breton, Basque or Corsican independence.

[Clinton Huxley]

I can't believe how much coverage the French news are giving this all of a sudden... fears of Europe Balkanizing run rampant, but no talk at all of Breton, Basque or Corsican independence.

I'll swap you languedoc for Wales?

[Svartalf]

I keep the nice wine, thank you, I like Pappa but not to the point of having him shag sheep in my garden

[Rum]

I can't believe how much coverage the French news are giving this all of a sudden... fears of Europe Balkanizing run rampant, but no talk at all of Breton, Basque or Corsican independence.

I think the fear is justified. Nationalism is an uncontrollable force once its little compartment in Pandora's box is clicked open, however apparently gently.

[mistermack]

I can't believe how much coverage the French news are giving this all of a sudden... fears of Europe Balkanizing run rampant, but no talk at all of Breton, Basque or Corsican independence.

I think the fear is justified. Nationalism is an uncontrollable force once its little compartment in Pandora's box is clicked open, however apparently gently.

One way to squash it would be to veto their application to join the EU once they separate.
After all, it's the EU that causes the problem in the first place. If you are a member of the EU and NATO, the value of belonging to the UK or France or Spain falls away. So old enmities bubble back up. Suddenly, it's ''we don't need you any more''.

Just veto the membership of those two organisations for any breakaway state, and you wouldn't see much appetite for splitting.

[Hermit]

Just veto the membership of those two organisations for any breakaway state, and you wouldn't see much appetite for splitting.

Ah, if Germany had heeded your advice Bavaria would still be part of Germany today!

[mistermack]

Just veto the membership of those two organisations for any breakaway state, and you wouldn't see much appetite for splitting.

Ah, if Germany had heeded your advice Bavaria would still be part of Germany today!

Well, Scotland is part of the UK today. And the Basque country is part of Spain and France today.
It's tomorrow that's the problem, not today.