Dutchman returns Holocaust medal after family deaths in Gaza

[pErvinalia]

The reality is, this is their only means of fighting back. They are utterly surrounded and oppressed. I don't blame them one bit. Israel is a terrorist state, as far as I am concerned, and as a democracy it's citizens have to wear some of the blame of the actions of their evil and utterly inhuman government.

[mistermack]

The real fiction that people have swallowed in this, is that Israel wants the fighting or rockets to stop.
That's the last thing they want. They WANT Hamas to keep firing their useless rockets, because it gives them the excuse to keep at the people in Gaza.
By a process of attrition, they are forcing the Palestinians out, both from Gaza and everywhere else.
They don't much care if they kill them, or if they leave voluntarily. But that's the objective.
Not peace. They don't want any of that, because they know that the Palestinians will outbreed them over time, and become the majority.

So they keep stirring the pot, to keep trouble bubbling, giving themselves the excuse to bomb, imprison and evict Palestinians in huge numbers, so that eventually, those left alive will give up and leave.

They know exactly which buttons to press, to keep the hotheads seething. They've been at it for years.
It's the actual POLICY of Israel, behind the scenes. And of course the US knows it perfectly well, it's their policy too. What the public hears is just what they WANT you to hear. To make you think what they WANT you to think.

Poor innocent Israel, if only those nasty Hamas people would stop firing their useless fireworks into the desert sand, we could all live in peace.
You're all so fucking gullible, if you believe any of that.

[Strontium Dog]

How come far-fetched, when the vast majority of palestinians killed have no connection to Hamas?
No ''militant'' being ''harboured'' ? The pattern is perfectly clear. They are bound to hit Hamas members now and then, if they kill enough innocents.

The ratio of Hamas members to innocents proves beyond any doubt that Hamas members are being targeted. It cannot be any other way. The idea that bombs are being fired at random and just happen by accident to be killing hundreds of militants is risible and impossible.

You have an unbelieveable mindset. You seem to have soaked up every bit of propaganda that you've ever been fed. What the fuck are you doing on rationalia, if you are so incredibly gullible?

"Gullible" to you obviously being a person who accepts reality.

[Strontium Dog]

Are you capable of looking at the idiotic shit you write objectively?? You've made a claim, and haven't backed it up. Back it up or go back to your troll home.

Ah, another subscriber to the "God put it there" theory of Hamas corpses.

You claimed that the family were "harbouring" him, and that they were fair game because of that. This is classic SD evasion. You have absolutely no awareness of what the words you say mean. You do this post after post after post. For years. You'd think you'd finally learn. In my mind, this is sort of shit is clear evidence you are either a troll or incredibly stupid. Or both (most likely).

And this is a classic lie by you. You accuse me of having no awareness of what words mean, but the words "fair game" don't appear anywhere in my posts. You can't even get your troll story straight. You are one of the stupidest, least aware people I've ever encountered.

[mistermack]

The ratio of Hamas members to innocents proves beyond any doubt that Hamas members are being targeted. It cannot be any other way. The idea that bombs are being fired at random and just happen by accident to be killing hundreds of militants is risible and impossible.

What ratio? You're just making stuff up again.
Fuck off with your shitty trolling. You're not worth a wank.

[Strontium Dog]

Your propensity to pretend that evidence doesn't exist is certainly amusing. Even the UN admits that quarter of the dead in Gaza were militants (Israel says 50%).

Thus the truth of your claim that militants were killed by chance stands on falls on whether quarter of the population of Gaza are militants.

And, given that half the people in Gaza are children, what you are actually saying is that every other adult in Gaza is a militant.

Presumably, that means all the men are militants, since the women are what they are in every other Islamic nation: chattel.

So there you have it. Your claims are debunked by mathematics a child could understand. How appropriate.

[pErvinalia]

Are you capable of looking at the idiotic shit you write objectively?? You've made a claim, and haven't backed it up. Back it up or go back to your troll home.

Ah, another subscriber to the "God put it there" theory of Hamas corpses.

No, I'm a subscriber to rational argumentation. You made a claim and you can't back it up. Now we have to go through the usual idiotic circus of you trying to claim that the words you used didn't mean what all socially aware humans understand them to mean. I really wish you possessed enough awareness to understand how foolish you are.

You claimed that the family were "harbouring" him, and that they were fair game because of that. This is classic SD evasion. You have absolutely no awareness of what the words you say mean. You do this post after post after post. For years. You'd think you'd finally learn. In my mind, this is sort of shit is clear evidence you are either a troll or incredibly stupid. Or both (most likely).

And this is a classic lie by you. You accuse me of having no awareness of what words mean, but the words "fair game" don't appear anywhere in my posts.

Where did I say it occurred in your posts?? Stop being a disingenuous twat. You said they were "legitimate military targets". I can't wait to hear your idiotic explanation for how those two phrases differ.

You can't even get your troll story straight. You are one of the stupidest, least aware people I've ever encountered

.

And you still haven't backed up your bigoted claim. I wonder if you'll ever do it?

[mistermack]

Your propensity to pretend that evidence doesn't exist is certainly amusing. Even the UN admits that quarter of the dead in Gaza were militants (Israel says 50%).

Thus the truth of your claim that militants were killed by chance stands on falls on whether quarter of the population of Gaza are militants.

And, given that half the people in Gaza are children, what you are actually saying is that every other adult in Gaza is a militant.

Presumably, that means all the men are militants, since the women are what they are in every other Islamic nation: chattel.

So there you have it. Your claims are debunked by mathematics a child could understand. How appropriate.

Fuck off with your pathetic trolling and invented ''facts''.

[JimC]

mistermack, this is a reminder that this post: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1576092

contravenes our "play nice" rule, and should be avoided in future.

[JimC]

Strontium Dog, this is a reminder that the following post: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#p1576089

constitutes a personal attack on another member, which is against our rules, and thus should be avoided in future.

[cronus]

I found these personal attacks incredibly offensive and would like the posters accounts suspended.

[pErvinalia]

I think both should be executed!

[Strontium Dog]

Strontium Dog, this is a reminder that the following post: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#p1576089

constitutes a personal attack on another member, which is against our rules, and thus should be avoided in future.

Er, hold on, what about rEvolutionist's repeat attacks on me?

No matter now, because he's on ignore, but I would never attack anyone without being attacked first. Cheers.

[Brian Peacock]

And I'm a Dutchman.



(See what I did there? Eh? Dutchman? Eh? Eh?)

[pErvinalia]

no.