And that's WHY we carry them...

[Tero]

My problem is idiots, drunks and all manner of rednexks with concealed hand guns.

There have been high IQ serial killers as well but I know not their weapons.

But the solution is simple. Ban concealed hand guns as well as all hidden guns. Good luck hiding that sawed off shot gun.

There is absolutely bo benefit to me in Seth carrying a concealed weapon. Our paths will not cross.

[Tero]

BG.... Why do you care about guns in the US so much?? American gun culture is (thankfully) one of the few things that the US isn't exporting to the rest of the world. Who cares what they do to themselves??

Seth, at least, berates the rest of the world for not moving into the gun-fuelled paradise that is the US today...

Didn't see any guns there on my recent trip, except for police.

...but then I was in the civilised part.

They were all concealed. Drive into an RV park. 90% will have a gun. And a dog. And a nagging wife.

[rainbow]

Drive into an RV park.

What in the name of all that is good would possess me to do that?

[laklak]

View it as an anthropological study.

[Gallstones]

My problem is idiots, drunks and all manner of rednexks with concealed hand guns.

There have been high IQ serial killers as well but I know not their weapons.

But the solution is simple. Ban concealed hand guns as well as all hidden guns. Good luck hiding that sawed off shot gun.

There is absolutely bo benefit to me in Seth carrying a concealed weapon. Our paths will not cross.

Report from the Crime Prevention Research Center
Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States July 9, 2014

CPRC collected the most recent data available for each state and the results showed that there are total of 11,113,013 Americans who currently hold concealed carry permits representing 4.8 percent of the total population.

The number of concealed carry permit holders is likely much higher than 11.1 million because numbers are not available for all states that issue permits, such as New York. Additionally, four states and the majority of Montana do not require that residents have a concealed handgun permit to carry within the state so the number of residents who carry a concealed weapon is not recorded.
...
The report also examines the violent crime rate in relation to the rising percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits. Between 2007 and the preliminary estimates for 2013, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.4 per 100,000--–a 22 percent drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 130 percent. Overall violent crime also fell by 22 percent over that period of time, the number of permits issued has grown faster than the number of states that allow concealed carry. This is because in each state, as the law has allowed for concealed carry, more and more people have gradually applied and received permits. So, in other words, concealed carry has grown overall due to both more states allowing it and more and more people in each state getting permits

To put this in perspective, during the eight years from 1999 to 2007, the number of permits increased by about 240,000 per year.
During the next four years that figure surged to 844,000 net new permits per year. And from the end of 2011 to 2014 the yearly increase had soared to 1,390,000 net new permits per year.
...

How law-abiding are permit holders?

Consider the two large states at the front of the current debate, Florida and Texas: Both states provide
easy web access to detailed records of permit holders.
During over two decades, from October 1, 1987 to May 31, 2014, Florida has issued permits to more than
2.64 million people, with the average person holding a permit for more than a decade.

Few--168 (about 0.006%)--have had their permits revoked for any type of firearms related violation, the most common being accidentally carrying a concealed handgun into a gun-free zone such as a school or an airport, not threats or acts of violence. It is an annual rate of 0.0002 percent.
The already low revocation rate has been declining over time. Over the last 77 months from January 2008
through May 2014, just 4 permits have been revoked for firearms-related violations. With an average of about 875,000 active permit holders per year during those years, the annual revocation rate for firearms
related violations is 0.00007 percent–7 one hundred thousandths of one percentage point.

The six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Indeed, the murder rate is 23 percent lower in the states without permits. The violent crime rate is 12 percent lower. The murder and
violent crime rates are also lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the US

There is a misleading error in the report:
Montana does require a permit to carry concealed within most municipal boundaries. Outside those boundaries not required, AKA not required in any rural area--which is most of the state. Also, a law was passed a couple elections ago that information on permit holders is confidential and can not be disclosed or published. No permit is required to carry open, and one need be at least 14 yo to open carry.

Also, no firearms may be brought into any public buildings (courthouse, schools, post office) or establishments that serve alcohol.

[tattuchu]

Drive into an RV park.

What in the name of all that is good would possess me to do that?

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[Tero]

Even more than global warming, cause and effect is difficult here.

If violence has declined, there is no direct correlation to gun laws. When times change and say unemployment goes up, it's not going to be of benefit to us all to have all those guns.

Individual gun owners can prove a benefit to themselves. As a whole....

[piscator]

BG.... Why do you care about guns in the US so much?? American gun culture is (thankfully) one of the few things that the US isn't exporting to the rest of the world. Who cares what they do to themselves??

Seth, at least, berates the rest of the world for not moving into the gun-fuelled paradise that is the US today...

Didn't see any guns there on my recent trip, except for police.

...but then I was in the civilised part.

They were all concealed. Drive into an RV park. 90% will have a gun. And a dog. And a nagging wife.

Most KOAs and snowbird RV parks down in Arizona are pretty nice. You should see some of the massive self contained RV communities down in Florida too. Orlando, Bradenton, Kissimmee...The folks may be old and armed, but their little dogs do more barking than biting.

[Tero]

And the wife?

[piscator]

Most have seen better days...

[Tero]

What do they do all day? Find another couple and play bridge?

[piscator]

How the fuck would I know?

[Tero]

Well, they must do something. Play the stock market with 401 K?

[laklak]

Orgies.

[Tero]

Does oatmeal and enemas count as orgies?