Another shot at the case against gnus

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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by LucidFlight » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:58 am

I think a lot of people don't realise how much fun guns can be. Here's another cool video about the hand cannon.



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Post by piscator » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:04 am

LucidFlight wrote:Interesting that it was a Chinese man involved. The Chinese, of course, invented gunpowder... and the hand cannon.


Taiwan also had a very high murder rate, last time I saw. PRC too.
Mutual cultural disdain between Japan and China hasn't been much of a secret. It's safe to say the fact that these taboo-breakers were Chinese has been duly noted by any Japanese privvy to the news, which I guess is about all off them, since it's been many microseconds since the news broke. :ddpan:

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Post by piscator » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:17 am

LucidFlight wrote:I think a lot of people don't realise how much fun guns can be. Here's another cool video about the hand cannon.



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Here's a fun one about The Fart of Doom:





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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by Seth » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:22 pm

piscator wrote:
Seth wrote:When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.
When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.
Precisely.

Now you just have to explain why outlaws should have dildos and ordinary law-abiding citizens should not.

Non sequitur. The act of having the dildo makes one an outlaw, ipso facto. Why should you care why your neighbor became an outlaw, if it doesn't pick your pocket?

Why should you care if your neighbor is an outlaw and has a gun, as long as he doesn't shoot you with it?
Because gun ban laws are improper malum prohibitium laws that have no actual connection to unlawful or unsafe conduct.
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Post by Gallstones » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:40 pm

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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by piscator » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:07 pm

Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:
Seth wrote:When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.
When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.
Precisely.

Now you just have to explain why outlaws should have dildos and ordinary law-abiding citizens should not.

Non sequitur. The act of having the dildo makes one an outlaw, ipso facto. Why should you care why your neighbor became an outlaw, if it doesn't pick your pocket?

Why should you care if your neighbor is an outlaw and has a gun, as long as he doesn't shoot you with it?
Because gun ban laws are improper malum prohibitium laws that have no actual connection to unlawful or unsafe conduct.

So are cannabis laws. So are Blue Laws. So are many zoning codes, and laws respecting local tide lines. You still have to obey them, or are outlaw, ipso facto and perforce. :pop:

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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by Seth » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:23 am

piscator wrote:
Seth wrote:
piscator wrote:
Seth wrote:When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.
When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.
Precisely.

Now you just have to explain why outlaws should have dildos and ordinary law-abiding citizens should not.

Non sequitur. The act of having the dildo makes one an outlaw, ipso facto. Why should you care why your neighbor became an outlaw, if it doesn't pick your pocket?

Why should you care if your neighbor is an outlaw and has a gun, as long as he doesn't shoot you with it?
Because gun ban laws are improper malum prohibitium laws that have no actual connection to unlawful or unsafe conduct.

So are cannabis laws. So are Blue Laws. So are many zoning codes, and laws respecting local tide lines. You still have to obey them, or are outlaw, ipso facto and perforce. :pop:
Ah, but neither cannabis consumption, liquor consumption nor building a house is a constitutionally protected and Supreme Court approved basic civil right. Owning and using handguns for self defense is. Explicitly by Supreme Court ruling. You lose.

Oh, and EVERY statute must have an actual connection to some sort of harm that the enacting authority rationally believes needs to be regulated. Legislators cannot just make shit up and enact it without any nexus to a legitimate public need. That's called arbitrary and capricious lawmaking, and such laws are no laws at all because do not meet the "rational basis" test.

There is no rational basis upon which to conclude that the mere possession (or even carrying in public) of a handgun by a person who has not previously committed a crime or who is mentally incompetent presents any sort of legitimate risk to the general public. Regulations to ensure that the person does not have a criminal record, does not have a record of insanity, and that the person meets some minimum standards for safety and legal training in lawful defensive firearms use are entirely appropriate because they do not seek to prevent an otherwise qualified person from exercising his or her Supreme-Court approved right to own a handgun for self defense, they merely regulate the eligibility and manner in which that right may be lawfully exercised.
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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by piscator » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:51 am

"When smoking cannabis is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke cannabis"

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Post by Gallstones » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:19 am

More gun prohibitionists spokespersons.

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Their pathology puts all of us in danger.
These people are fucking nuts.
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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by rainbow » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:21 am

piscator wrote:"When smoking cannabis is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke cannabis"
True dat. When last was anyone murdered by a joint?
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Re: There is no case against guns

Post by NuclMan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:36 am

Gallstones wrote:More gun prohibitionists spokespersons.

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Is there any group more violent in their fantasies?
Their pathology puts all of us in danger.
These people are fucking nuts.
Hyperbole much? Stormfront et al is more troubling, as they're also typically armed to the few remaining teeth they have.
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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by Seth » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:54 pm

rainbow wrote:
piscator wrote:"When smoking cannabis is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke cannabis"
True dat. When last was anyone murdered by a joint?
By a joint or for one? In the latter case, lots and lots of people.
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Re: Another shot at the case against gnus

Post by piscator » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:39 pm

Seth wrote:
rainbow wrote:
piscator wrote:"When smoking cannabis is outlawed, only outlaws will smoke cannabis"
True dat. When last was anyone murdered by a joint?
By a joint or for one? In the latter case, lots and lots of people.

At least, that's how it reads after the cops fill out the papers... :roll:

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There is no case against guns--Case dismissed with prejudice

Post by Gallstones » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:41 am

Florida police spokesman tells citizens: ‘Get yourself some firearms’ July 11, 2014
Proposed cuts in the local Miami-Dade County budget that could lead to the firing of hundreds of law enforcement officers have led one police association spokesman to issue a stark warning to local citizens: Better buy some guns.

John Rivera, the president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, bluntly told residents to “get yourself some firearms” after Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez announced his budget proposal for the upcoming year, a local Fox affiliate reported.

The proposal would lead to nearly 650 government job cuts in order to bridge a $64 million shortfall, and the mayor said police might feel the biggest pinch if its labor union doesn’t make concessions.

“If the mayor’s not going to provide security, then my recommendation, as an experienced law enforcement officer for nearly 40 years, is either buy yourself an attack dog, put bars on your windows and get yourself some firearms because you’re going to had to protect yourselves. We won’t be able to,” Mr. Rivera said.
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