And that's WHY we carry them...

[Seth]

There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world

The differences between a 'law abiding citizen' and a serious criminal is a divorce, a bad day at the office, a bad commute, cosmic rays whatever.

You're projecting your own deficiencies on others. Clearly what you claim is untrue because there are 150 million gun owners in the US and the number of such events is quite small.

I would rather have 1000 potential murders with firearms than 60 million

Any criminal would prefer an unarmed pool of victims. Good thing you're not in charge.

The only rational way to deal with humanity is to assume humanity is irrational and will act as badly given the tools and circumstances as it can get away with

Another wannabe tyrant emerges from the slime to shout "The King is a Fink" and then slink back under his rock.

[MrJonno]

The only real threat to my welfare is the public, the government is the thin red line protecting the public from itself

[Seth]

The only real threat to my welfare is the public, the government is the thin red line protecting the public from itself

It's delusional to think so. When some crook kicks in your door and proceeds to beat you to death, the government will be nowhere in sight until long after you're dead.

[Tero]

I was going to leave you rifles and shotguns, Seth. That way I can see what you open carry. It's only hand guns I'm going to ban, once Hillary gets elected.

The guy in the wheel chair will just need to learn to shoot longer guns.

[MrJonno]

The only real threat to my welfare is the public, the government is the thin red line protecting the public from itself

It's delusional to think so. When some crook kicks in your door and proceeds to beat you to death, the government will be nowhere in sight until long after you're dead.

Well when society fails I die, but society as a whole is a hell of lot better keeping me alive than I am

[Seth]

The only real threat to my welfare is the public, the government is the thin red line protecting the public from itself

It's delusional to think so. When some crook kicks in your door and proceeds to beat you to death, the government will be nowhere in sight until long after you're dead.

Well when society fails I die, but society as a whole is a hell of lot better keeping me alive than I am

You're allowed to make that decision for yourself, but not for anyone else.

[MrJonno]

You're allowed to make that decision for yourself, but not for anyone else.

Not when you live in a democracy, then you while you may have some freedoms they are limited by others rightly so

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world

The differences between a 'law abiding citizen' and a serious criminal is a divorce, a bad day at the office, a bad commute, cosmic rays whatever. I would rather have 1000 potential murders with firearms than 60 million

The only rational way to deal with humanity is to assume humanity is irrational and will act as badly given the tools and circumstances as it can get away with

I had a really shit day at work today, a mother lying in hospital with breathing difficulties and suffering crazy-ass delusions and a brother with lung cancer. There's a good chance I'll be rendered homeless in the near future. Yet, strangely, I'm not getting any urge whatsoever to hurt anyone else. Nobody else I saw today looked like a threat to anyone else, either.

Your statement is stupid and your general view is soppy and irritating.

[MrJonno]

I had a really shit day at work today, a mother lying in hospital with breathing difficulties and suffering crazy-ass delusions and a brother with lung cancer. There's a good chance I'll be rendered homeless in the near future. Yet, strangely, I'm not getting any urge whatsoever to hurt anyone else. Nobody else I saw today looked like a threat to anyone else, either.

Your statement is stupid and your general view is soppy and irritating.

Multiple that by 60 million people and your tiny chance leads to a lot of murders. It's not about your personal responsibility or anyone else, its group statistics.

The whole meme of good guys need to be protected from bad guys is just pure bollocks, everyone is capable of doing bad things

[piscator]

There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world

The differences between a 'law abiding citizen' and a serious criminal is a divorce, a bad day at the office, a bad commute, cosmic rays whatever. I would rather have 1000 potential murders with firearms than 60 million

The only rational way to deal with humanity is to assume humanity is irrational and will act as badly given the tools and circumstances as it can get away with

Or just don't make the mistake of using potential murders as a valid metric, unless you want to get caught up counting buses and pry bars...

[Seth]

You're allowed to make that decision for yourself, but not for anyone else.

Not when you live in a democracy, then you while you may have some freedoms they are limited by others rightly so

Not when it comes to individual survival and self defense you don't.

[Seth]

I had a really shit day at work today, a mother lying in hospital with breathing difficulties and suffering crazy-ass delusions and a brother with lung cancer. There's a good chance I'll be rendered homeless in the near future. Yet, strangely, I'm not getting any urge whatsoever to hurt anyone else. Nobody else I saw today looked like a threat to anyone else, either.

Your statement is stupid and your general view is soppy and irritating.

Multiple that by 60 million people and your tiny chance leads to a lot of murders. It's not about your personal responsibility or anyone else, its group statistics.

The whole meme of good guys need to be protected from bad guys is just pure bollocks, everyone is capable of doing bad things

Black and white fallacy.

Just because everyone is capable of doing bad things doesn't mean that everyone will do bad things or that we have to run society based on the paranoid fear that they will do so, thereby creating a horrifically oppressive society where there is no liberty or freedom of any kind at all.

1984 has come and gone. Get over it.

[Tyrannical]

Poor Denzel, he's a former honor student and aspiring rapper just trying to turn his life around.

[MrJonno]

Just because everyone is capable of doing bad things doesn't mean that everyone will do bad things or that we have to run society based on the paranoid fear that they will do so, thereby creating a horrifically oppressive society where there is no liberty or freedom of any kind at all.

1984 has come and gone. Get over it.

It's a compromise like everything else in life, plenty of times a person is automatically assumed to be a criminal until they proof otherwise. Why do we think we have shop staff most the time its sure not to help the customer its to stop them stealing something.

Go to any airport and rightly you will automatically be assumed to be a terrorist carrying a bomb until you are very carefully searched. Even then you are going to be watched closely

[LucidFlight]

Innocent until proven guilty ― unless you're going through airport security.