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Veteran With Concealed Carry Permit Shoots Back At Chicago Gunman
11:09 PM 07/06/2014
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One of the spate of shootings that took place in Chicago, Ill. over the July 4th holiday weekend involved a veteran with a concealed carry permit who was forced to a shoot a man who began firing on him and a group of friends.
The incident occurred Friday night, the Chicago Tribune reports.
The veteran and three of his friends were leaving a party on the city’s south side. When the group reached their vehicle, a container with liquor was sitting on top of it. A woman from the group asked another group gathered next door who the liquor belonged to and removed it.
The move angered 22 year-old Denzel Mickiel, who approached the veteran and his friends shouting obscenities. The man then went into his residence and returned with a gun.
As Mickiel opened fire on the group, the veteran took cover near the vehicle’s front fender, according to assistant state attorney Mary Hain, the Chicago Tribune reports.
The veteran fired two shots, hitting Mickiel both times.
Two of Mickiel’s friends also began shooting at the group, which was able to flee the scene in their vehicle.
Mickiel was transported to the hospital and is in critical condition. A woman in the veteran’s group was hit twice – once in the arm and once in the back – but was stabilized and taken to the hospital.
Mickiel is charged with attempted murder and will be held on $950,000 bond.
Had Friday’s shooting occurred a little more than a year ago, the veteran would not have been legally permitted to conceal carry his firearm.
Illinois was the last U.S. state to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons with a permit, finally passing a law on July 9, 2013. The state began issuing conceal carry permits in February.
Seven people died and approximately 50 were injured in shootings that took place in Chicago over the weekend. The city has among the highest violent crime rates among major U.S. cities.
And that's WHY we carry them...
And that's WHY we carry them...
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
moar gnus!Seth wrote:Seven people died and approximately 50 were injured in shootings that took place in Chicago over the weekend. The city has among the highest violent crime rates among major U.S. cities.

Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Every use of a 'defensive' firearm is an extra reason to ban them
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Just put anyone that owns a hand gun, after we pass the law, in jail for life.
Real men will have to go back to strangling wives and stabbing enemies.
Real men will have to go back to strangling wives and stabbing enemies.
Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Only a criminal who is afraid of being shot by his victim would say that.MrJonno wrote:Every use of a 'defensive' firearm is an extra reason to ban them
That explains SO much!

"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Good luck with that in the post-Heller era.Tero wrote:Just put anyone that owns a hand gun, after we pass the law, in jail for life.
Real men will have to go back to strangling wives and stabbing enemies.

"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
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A wheelchair-bound homeowner in Powdersville, South Carolina, shot and killed a home invader who was trying to rob his home, officials said.
According to Greenville Online, the Anderson County Sheriff's Department was called to the residence of Orlandous Brown at 12:35 a.m. on July 3. Latisha Vernon – a friend of Brown – was at the residence when the incident occurred and she called in "a burglary in process."
Police arrived to find "Vernon and her daughter... in the driveway calling to them." They found the homeowner and the dead intruder in the living room.
The wheelchair-bound homeowner had been shot in the exchange of gunfire but was in stable condition after arriving at the hospital, according to the Anderson County Coroner's Office.
The 26-year-old home invader was "pronounced dead at the scene."
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
There are only criminals and potential criminals in this worldSeth wrote:Only a criminal who is afraid of being shot by his victim would say that.MrJonno wrote:Every use of a 'defensive' firearm is an extra reason to ban them
That explains SO much!
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
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MrJonno wrote: There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world

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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:MrJonno wrote: There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world
Yep. The Policeman Paradox.

Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Well, YOUR world anyway. Sorry place that....MrJonno wrote:There are only criminals and potential criminals in this worldSeth wrote:Only a criminal who is afraid of being shot by his victim would say that.MrJonno wrote:Every use of a 'defensive' firearm is an extra reason to ban them
That explains SO much!
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
In the absence of proper evidence, Seth falls back (as he always does) on anecdotes. All purveyers of bulldust do this. Homeopaths, astrologers, Mormons, etc etc.
Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
The differences between a 'law abiding citizen' and a serious criminal is a divorce, a bad day at the office, a bad commute, cosmic rays whatever. I would rather have 1000 potential murders with firearms than 60 millionJacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:MrJonno wrote: There are only criminals and potential criminals in this world
The only rational way to deal with humanity is to assume humanity is irrational and will act as badly given the tools and circumstances as it can get away with
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
We are ammosexuals, I'll have you know. And that's WHY we marry them...
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Re: And that's WHY we carry them...
Citations of events which have occurred are not "anecdotes," they are "observations" which constitute data points in any scientific analysis.Blind groper wrote:In the absence of proper evidence, Seth falls back (as he always does) on anecdotes. All purveyers of bulldust do this. Homeopaths, astrologers, Mormons, etc etc.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.
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