Another shot at the case against gnus

[Seth]

I have fired a Thompson Center Contender .30-06
Too high a caliber to be comfortable for me.

For hunting, a pistol is a lot less gun weight to have to schlep.

But you give up a lot. Including, eventually, your hearing for that 3-5 lbs. A scope-sighted handgun requires a rested shot. Handgun hunting, as much as gunmaker advertising would have one believe, is not some sort of stealthy CQB in a delightful woodland setting.

Your chances of wounding an animal and not recovering it go way up too. Best to limit your handgun hunting to stands in high fence operations rather than fair chase. That way you have the sort of 'just-so' setup handgun hunting demands.


And if weight is that much of an issue, fresh game meat is probably way too heavy to carry.

Totally wrong. Handgun hunting, like bow-hunting requires great stealth and good woodcraft because you have to get close enough to the animal to make the shot and make it a fatal one. Nobody shoots game with a handgun at 300 yards except an idiot. Three hundred yards is nothing for a rifle and the game won't even know you're there unless you're incredibly bumbling and inept.

To hunt with a handgun you need to get as close as possible, which is NOT an easy thing to do at all, as any bow-hunter will tell you.

And if you kill it, you have to eat it and field dressing and transporting meat is just part of the process. Took four trips to recover my last elk, which we quartered and deboned in the field.

Stalking and killing the animal is the physically easy part. Hauling out the meat can be a stone bitch, especially if you've stalked the game miles into the rugged back country before getting a shot. That's why guided hunts in Alaska (and other states) are popular (and legally required in some places), because you shoot and the guide does the dressing and packing...if you're a city-slicker pussy. If you're a real hunter, you carry your share.

But man o man yearling cow elk backstrap fresh off the animal cooked properly in camp...there's no better meat on earth.

[macdoc]

[Seth]

Another lefty pundit full of shit. I can get the best medical care on the planet with the snap of my fingers whenever I want it here in the US, but when you need a gun, nothing else will do the job adequately.

You're entitled to whatever level of medical care you can afford and not a fucking dime's worth more that's coerced and stolen from other people.

Your paranoid desire for "health insurance" does not justify taking my money from me to pay for it. I have my own financial issues to deal with, so fuck you, you're on your own. Unless you'd like to politely ask me for help, in which case I might be inclined to contribute...or not.

[Gallstones]

Mother stabs French teacher to death in front of students July 04, 2014

A primary school in southern France was in shock on Friday after a female teacher was stabbed to death in front of her pupils by a student's mother, who was quickly detained.

The attack on the 34-year-old teacher took place around 9am (0700 GMT) as morning classes began at Albi's Edouard Herriot primary school, which is attended by 284 students aged from three to 11. "This morning, a mother showed up with a knife and stabbed a 34-year-old teacher in front of her students, for reasons that will be determined by the investigation," Albi prosecutor Claude Derens told AFP.

[Gallstones]

Black bear attack reported near Columbia Falls Jul 03 2014

Wildlife officials are investigating a black bear attack on a woman running with her dogs Thursday morning. It happened on Forest Service property in the Cedar Flats area north of Columbia Falls.

Initial reports say the bear attacked the dogs and then attacked the runner, before leaving the scene.

[Gallstones]

Let's touch upon the "sporting press" for a moment.

Magazines like Handgun Hunter are typically started by gun manufacturers, with money from gun manufacturers, or by someone connected to the gun industry who recognized the not-insignificant opportunity associated with providing an advertising vehicle for gun manufacturers, gizmo peddlers, and commercial hunting operations.

With few exceptions, mostly limited to Ted Kerasote, Hemmingway, or Howard Roark reprints, Every article is implicit advertisement that exposes you to the more explicit advertising between and around the articles. This is no secret.


Kthnxbai

Opinion.
Irrelevant.

[Seth]

Let's touch upon the "sporting press" for a moment.

Magazines like Handgun Hunter are typically started by gun manufacturers, with money from gun manufacturers, or by someone connected to the gun industry who recognized the not-insignificant opportunity associated with providing an advertising vehicle for gun manufacturers, gizmo peddlers, and commercial hunting operations.

With few exceptions, mostly limited to Ted Kerasote, Hemmingway, or Howard Roark reprints, Every article is implicit advertisement that exposes you to the more explicit advertising between and around the articles. This is no secret.


Kthnxbai

Opinion.
Irrelevant.

Yeah, and it falls in the "so fucking what?" category. Nothing at all wrong with capitalistic entrepreneurial product peddling. If there's no demand for your product, then create one. Brilliant marketing technique that's been used by every advertiser opening a new market segment.

He's complaining because evidently he's so gullible and unable to control his buying impulses that he has to object to advertising on the theory that the government needs to protect him from his own poor impulse control.

[Gallstones]

[piscator]

So what is raising the demand for guns?

[piscator]

Let's touch upon the "sporting press" for a moment.

Magazines like Handgun Hunter are typically started by gun manufacturers, with money from gun manufacturers, or by someone connected to the gun industry who recognized the not-insignificant opportunity associated with providing an advertising vehicle for gun manufacturers, gizmo peddlers, and commercial hunting operations.

With few exceptions, mostly limited to Ted Kerasote, Hemmingway, or Howard Roark reprints, Every article is implicit advertisement that exposes you to the more explicit advertising between and around the articles. This is no secret.


Kthnxbai

Opinion.
Irrelevant.

Fact. And quite relevant in the context of your post which relied heavily on quotes [advertisements] from Handgun Hunter deployed an effort to paint handguns as suitable or worthwhile for hunting big game.

[piscator]

Black bear attack reported near Columbia Falls Jul 03 2014

Wildlife officials are investigating a black bear attack on a woman running with her dogs Thursday morning. It happened on Forest Service property in the Cedar Flats area north of Columbia Falls.

Initial reports say the bear attacked the dogs and then attacked the runner, before leaving the scene.

27 fatal black bear attacks in the 2000s=2.7/y on 350 million people=<1/1000000. You may as well go into the Colorado woods with lightning protection as "bear protection".


How many dogs attack runners every year? How many runners injure themselves every year?*



* I do.

[Seth]

Black bear attack reported near Columbia Falls Jul 03 2014

Wildlife officials are investigating a black bear attack on a woman running with her dogs Thursday morning. It happened on Forest Service property in the Cedar Flats area north of Columbia Falls.

Initial reports say the bear attacked the dogs and then attacked the runner, before leaving the scene.

27 fatal black bear attacks in the 2000s=2.7/y on 350 million people=<1/1000000. You may as well go into the Colorado woods with lightning protection as "bear protection".

Well, yeah. Lightning is quite a killer around here in the mountains. But who said we're limited to self defense against only one peril. A comprehensive plan and equipment that covers those perils that one judges to be in need of consideration is always best. A handgun (or rifle) has many uses in a survival situation beyond bears. It's a very flexible tool that's good for putting down all sorts of varmints one might encounter in the woods.

How many dogs attack runners every year?

Around me it's at best one attack attempt per dog.

How many runners injure themselves every year?*

What does that have to do with anything at all. You're allowed to take any risk you like. The point here is that you also are allowed to mitigate those potential risks by proper preparation and planning. You can not run if you are worried about it, or you can carry a gun if you think you might be attacked by a dog, or a bear, or a lion, or a snake or some other varmint.

I do.

[Seth]

deployed an effort to paint handguns as suitable or worthwhile for hunting big game.

And who the fuck are you to tell anyone what's "suitable or worthwhile" for hunting anything at all?

We leave those decisions about "suitability" up to the professionals at the Game and Fish Department, and they don't have any problem with handgun hunting, which is a completely legal method of take in Colorado and most other places.

As to "worthwhile," that's up to the hunter.

[Hermit]

Fourth of July weekend toll: 82 shot, 14 of them fatally, and that's just in Chicago. What do we make of this? Not enough guns. Obviously. Australia seems to have an almost sufficient amount to prevent this sort of thing. Go, Australia.

[piscator]

deployed an effort to paint handguns as suitable or worthwhile for hunting big game.

And who the fuck are you to tell anyone what's "suitable or worthwhile" for hunting anything at all?

A better hunter than you'll ever be.

We leave those decisions about "suitability" up to the professionals at the Game and Fish Department, and they don't have any problem with handgun hunting, which is a completely legal method of take in Colorado and most other places.

As to "worthwhile," that's up to the hunter.

Thank you, but according to Colorado law carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a crime in Colorado, and your hunting handgun and round must be able to produce a minimum of 550ft/lbs @ 50yards. So a minimum of a .41 magnum caliber in a 6" barrel, unless you also want to carry test results that show your smaller handgun and pet load is adequate in lieu of a citation. Your .45 ACP Tactical Spit & Wankstain Special does not meet the minimum standards for hunting in your state, and is a piss poor defensive weapon against your massive rampaging man-eating life-threatening Colorado black bears.

Moreover, if you are caught carrying a substandard pistol in the woods for whatever reason, you can be cited for hunting with a substandard round, and possibly (probably) for hunting without a license. A nimrod is strictly limited in when and how he can even legally approach handgun hunting for sport in Colorado.