Alex's plan for Scotland : Mass immigration.

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Alex's plan for Scotland : Mass immigration.

Post by mistermack » Thu May 29, 2014 1:42 am

Alex Salmond is promising the Scottish voters that they will be £1,000 a year better off if they choose independence. Where is he saying it will come from?

Look carefully at his mealy-mouthed words :

''By improving the productivity in the Scottish economy, by enhancing our working-age population, and by increasing employment, then we can grow the Scottish economy to give us an additional tax, not by increasing INDIVIDUAL TAXES but by growing the economy, of five billion pounds a year by 2030''

What a fucking deceiver. Look what those words mean. ''enhancing our working-age population''.
What he means is massive immigration of working age people. How else can you enhance a population?

So he's saying that over the next fifteen years, he'll import enough foreign workers, and find jobs for all of them, so that he can collect £1000 per year for every family in Scotland. But of course, incoming people COST money, as well as pay taxes. How much fucking tax is he planning to get off them, to provide £1000 profit, after expenses, for every family in Scotland? And where will all the new jobs come from?
And how will he keep these immigrants in Scotland, when they are free to drive down to London for more jobs and more money?

And most important of all, why didn't Smarmy Alex SAY ''we will blah blah blah by encouraging massive immigration? Instead of ''enhance our working-age population'' ?

Because he just can't tell the truth. He just has to keep bullshitting and bullshitting, because he knows that the truth would kill off his project.

And amazingly, he has managed to con about forty percent of voters with that bollocks.
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Post by ronmcd » Thu May 29, 2014 9:59 am

mistermack wrote: And most important of all, why didn't Smarmy Alex SAY ''we will blah blah blah by encouraging massive immigration? Instead of ''enhance our working-age population'' ?
Because the Scottish government's policy isn't massive immigration? Scotland needs immigration, more than UK wants, but the SNP policy isn't for "mass" immigration or an open door policy. It's just to increase the population with skilled workers that are needed, the same as UK but Scotland has a different demographic problem than UK.

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Post by ronmcd » Thu May 29, 2014 10:01 am

From the yes campaign's website:
... points-based immigration system for applicants from outside the EU. Such a system would be designed to match Scotland's needs. For example, the paper suggests incentives to attract new categories of skilled workers here, and the reintroduction of post-study work visas would also attract more talented students to study and remain in Scotland.

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Post by JimC » Thu May 29, 2014 10:01 am

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Post by PsychoSerenity » Thu May 29, 2014 10:56 am

If Scotland go independent there will be plenty of English people wanting to move there to get away from the Tories.
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Post by mistermack » Thu May 29, 2014 11:34 am

He certainly IS talking about mass immigration.
Because he is claiming that the immigrants will make every family in Scotland £1000 per year better off. For fifteen years.
If that is roughly a million families, that's a billion pounds a year he thinks he'll make PROFIT out of the immigrants.

How much fucking profit does he think he can make out of a single immigrant? If he thinks £1,000, that's a MILLION immigrants. On top of a total Scottish population of about five million.

But where are all the jobs going to come from? A million new jobs in Scotland? And it has to be private jobs, not government, or that would put the tax UP.

He's lying through his arse.
As usual.

And the thing is, you have to read between the lines, to even see what he's up to.
Since when did mass immigration become ''enhancing the working-age population'' ?

When did Alex Salmond ever make it clear that he is planning mass immigration?
Or large scale immigration?
Or substantial immigration?
Or even ''significant immigration'' ?

But if he wins the vote, start buying houses in Scotland. Because they are going to be in short supply, and the house prices will go through the roof.
Unless he's lying again, of course.
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Post by Hermit » Thu May 29, 2014 12:08 pm

A million people migrating to Scotland, huh? Wow! Huge problem, that. Accommodation for a million people must be built, not to mention the massive expansion of infrastructure. Scotland will need more shops, restaurants, petrol stations, more and larger supermarkets, petrol stations, more teachers, doctors, ... and they all require workers to build the stuff then work in them. Oh dear, where will he get all those additional workers from? And that's yet another problem. Surely, none of those million new arrivals would be willing to actually work, would they?
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Post by mistermack » Thu May 29, 2014 12:37 pm

Don't be stupid. More doctors and teachers will be MORE of a burden on taxpayers, not less.
And all the other service sector jobs would require paying for.
Or do you claim that the extra money spent in supermarkets can come from supermarket workers? :funny:

And petrol stations, so important you said it twice. Where will the money come from, for the immigrants to spend in the petrol stations? Supermarket workers again? Or petrol station workers? Or extra doctors and nurses, and teachers, all paid for OUT OF taxes?

Your grasp on economics is rather weak.
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Post by Hermit » Thu May 29, 2014 12:58 pm

You obviously don't understand the effect of increased demand and consumption on the economy. An increase in population is not an increase in liability, no matter if that increase is generated internally or imported.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu May 29, 2014 1:11 pm

Hermit is right. It is the voodoo of economics that makes it possible. I honestly don't understand it, but it is right. The real question is: Is this a correct way to measure progress and wealth?
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu May 29, 2014 1:12 pm

Having said that, I'm sure this politician is full of shit like most of them. I doubt the benefit will be anything like he imagines, even less so when his donors skim their take off the top.
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Post by mistermack » Thu May 29, 2014 1:21 pm

Hermit wrote:You obviously don't understand the effect of increased demand and consumption on the economy. An increase in population is not an increase in liability, no matter if that increase is generated internally or imported.
I don't think you understand money at all.
Supermarket workers are paid out of money spent in the supermarket. That's how it works.
The Scottish public are already spending what they want to spend in the supermarkets. So to pay for an immigrant supermarket worker, the extra money has to come from the immigrants.
Where does it come from? The same applies right across the economy.
A million immigrants making a living servicing each other doesn't work.

If they buy petrol, or tvs, or toyotas, or laptops, or fridges, or washing machines, or clothes, or wine, etc etc it all has to come in from abroad. ( and the UK is now abroad as well ).

Good luck with finding the foreign currency for all those extra imports.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu May 29, 2014 1:26 pm

Businesses will invest if the conditions are right. You are acting as if there is a finite supply of money. That's not the case.
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Re: Alex's plan for Scotland : Mass immigration.

Post by ronmcd » Thu May 29, 2014 1:47 pm

mistermack wrote:He certainly IS talking about mass immigration.
No, he isn't.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... r.24352610
Yesterday Mr Salmond sought to play down the scale of immigration required to offset a projected fall in the working- age population over the next two decades and boost tax revenues. He said the figure of 24,000 was only 2000 higher than average annual net immigration between 2001 and 2011.

He said: "I think to increase the working-age population through net migration of 2000 additional people a year compared to experience of the past 10 years is an entirely reasonable prospective, and is very realistic to achieve."
We currently have 22,000 net immigration. The number he is talking about is 24,000.

MASS IMMIGRATION! (of an extra 2000 people)

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Post by Hermit » Thu May 29, 2014 1:54 pm

mistermack wrote:
Hermit wrote:You obviously don't understand the effect of increased demand and consumption on the economy. An increase in population is not an increase in liability, no matter if that increase is generated internally or imported.
I don't think you understand money at all.
Supermarket workers are paid out of money spent in the supermarket. That's how it works.
The Scottish public are already spending what they want to spend in the supermarkets. So to pay for an immigrant supermarket worker, the extra money has to come from the immigrants.
Where does it come from? The same applies right across the economy.
A million immigrants making a living servicing each other doesn't work.

If they buy petrol, or tvs, or toyotas, or laptops, or fridges, or washing machines, or clothes, or wine, etc etc it all has to come in from abroad. ( and the UK is now abroad as well ).

Good luck with finding the foreign currency for all those extra imports.
Never heard of fiat currency, huh?

Anyway, as I mentioned, if your conception of the economy was right, population increases - no matter how they originate - would have spelt economic disaster a long time ago.
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