Another shot at the case against gnus

[Seth]

As always, the solution proffered by US gun nutters after any gun related tragedy is more guns...

Fucking lunatics...

Fucking anti-gun lunatics can't even read a post that advocates passive infrastructure safety and security modifications.

...says the lunatic who keeps reciting the "more guns, less crime" mantra.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Good strategy, good tactics and the proper tools are also important however.

[JimC]

So my contention that your proffered solution to gun death is more guns was correct.

Lunacy; only in a country like America. You do realise that the rest of the world thinks you are barking mad, I hope...

[Hermit]

As always, the solution proffered by US gun nutters after any gun related tragedy is more guns...

Fucking lunatics...

Fucking anti-gun lunatics can't even read a post that advocates passive infrastructure safety and security modifications.

...says the lunatic who keeps reciting the "more guns, less crime" mantra.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth is that Australia has extremely restrictive gun laws and about 20% of the murder rate pertaining to the USA. If there was a commensurately precipitous and sudden rise in murder rates in particular and crimes involving violence in general that correlated with the precipitous and sudden drop in gun ownership due to the 1996 legislation and firearms buyback scheme I'd actually have no problem at all agreeing with your "more guns, less crime" mantra. Your truth doesn't hurt because it simply isn't truth.

[Hermit]

So my contention that your proffered solution to gun death is more guns was correct.

Lunacy; only in a country like America. You do realise that the rest of the world thinks you are barking mad, I hope...

May I advise you to abandon all hope? Dunning-Kruger types are 100% immune from realising that they are barking mad. They will forever be deluded about their own level of skill, fail to recognise genuine skill in others and fail to recognise the extremity of their inadequacy.

I am more intelligent, more articulate, better educated and a much, much better debator (sic) than anyone over there...

[Seth]

So my contention that your proffered solution to gun death is more guns was correct.

Lunacy; only in a country like America. You do realise that the rest of the world thinks you are barking mad, I hope...

Typical hoplophobe lunacy. "Gunz iz badz" without a scintilla of reason, logic or rational thought.

[Seth]

As always, the solution proffered by US gun nutters after any gun related tragedy is more guns...

Fucking lunatics...

Fucking anti-gun lunatics can't even read a post that advocates passive infrastructure safety and security modifications.

...says the lunatic who keeps reciting the "more guns, less crime" mantra.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth is that Australia has extremely restrictive gun laws and about 20% of the murder rate pertaining to the USA. If there was a commensurately precipitous and sudden rise in murder rates in particular and crimes involving violence in general that correlated with the precipitous and sudden drop in gun ownership due to the 1996 legislation and firearms buyback scheme I'd actually have no problem at all agreeing with your "more guns, less crime" mantra. Your truth doesn't hurt because it simply isn't truth.

Except it is. And the violent crime rate in Oz did in fact jump more than 40 percent after the ban.

[Seth]

So my contention that your proffered solution to gun death is more guns was correct.

Lunacy; only in a country like America. You do realise that the rest of the world thinks you are barking mad, I hope...

May I advise you to abandon all hope? Dunning-Kruger types are 100% immune from realising that they are barking mad. They will forever be deluded about their own level of skill, fail to recognise genuine skill in others and fail to recognise the extremity of their inadequacy.

I am more intelligent, more articulate, better educated and a much, much better debator (sic) than anyone over there...

Which begs the question "since you know you suffer from this malady, why do you continue to highlight that intellectual deficiency?"

I suppose your narcissism prevents you from feeling embarrassed by your disability.

[Gallstones]

So my contention that your proffered solution to gun death is more guns was correct.

Lunacy; only in a country like America. You do realise that the rest of the world thinks you are barking mad, I hope...

Meh. The "rest of the world" are hypocritical, elitist cultural bigots.

[Gallstones]

Maya Angelou on guns for personal defense

Maya Angelou echoes the self-defense wisdom of her old friend Malcolm X.

The audio track is from a copyrighted broadcast of The Diane Rehm Show, dated May 8, 2013, © WAMU 88.5 American University Radio.

[Gallstones]

Maya Angelou tells Time about owning, shooting a firearm April 07, 2013

Maya Angelou got her gun. And now that she's talked about it, she teaches us a lesson about making assumptions.

Angelou, the literary icon and famed poet and "Star Trek" fan, told Time magazine in a recent interview that she likes having guns around. Her comments must have been the last thing that gun controllers wanted to see.

TIME: Your mother, she was your protector. She often carried a gun, she seemed very fond of guns. Did you inherit your mother's fondness for guns?

ANGELOU: Well, I do like to have guns around. I don't like to carry them. But if somebody is going to come into my house, and I have not put out the welcome mat, I want to stop them.

TIME: Have you ever fired a weapon?

ANGELOU: Of course!

TIME: At a person?

ANGELOU: I've fired it period, not at a person I hope. I was in my house in North Carolina. It was fall. I heard someone walking on the leaves. And somebody actually turned the knob, so I said, 'Stand four feet back because I'm going to shoot now!' BOOM! BOOM! The police came by and said, 'Ms. Angelou, the shots came from inside the house.' I said, 'Well, I don't know how that happened.'"

[Gallstones]

Rare sale of 200 WWII-era military vehicles offers tanks

This is what having money to burn will getcha'.

Jacques Mequet Littlefied did not live an exceptionally long life, dying of cancer in 2009 at age 59. But the independently wealthy San Francisco Bay Area collector did live a wonderfully eclectic life, amassing over some four decades one of the world’s biggest collections of rolling armor. Yup, tanks. And a few other related things, including SCUD missiles, amphibious personnel carriers and anti-tank guns.
...
The Littlefield Collection, 280 largely restored relics from a range of armed conflicts. While 80 of Littlefield’s prized items are destined for The Collings Foundation in Stow, Mass., a museum dedicated to the preservation of such fare, 200 lots go under Auctions America’s hammer July 11-12 at Littlefield’s former home-cum-museum in Portola Valley, Calif., just south of San Francisco.
...
“The sheer size alone of these things is just amazing, really humbling. You just can’t ignore the presence of a SCUD or Russian ICBM missile. They’re intimidating weapons of mass destruction, but they’re also a piece of history.”
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up for sale is a so-called Jumbo Sherman, thought to be only one of seven or eight in existence, and is expected to fetch between $1.4 million and $1.6 million. The Jumbo appellation comes from the oversized protective plates welded onto the tank, allowing these armed vehicles to take the lead in assaults whose barrages would have knocked out standard M4s.

That unique Sherman is, however, matched by an equally rare Littlefield bird, a German Panzerkampfwagen tank...after duty in the Second World War, it made its way to Syria and was then captured by the Israelis during the famous Six Day War in 1967 — have set the Panzer’s estimated price at between $2.4 million and $2.6 million.

“Since most of these machines run, they could even drive around in them.”

Interesting read.

[piscator]

The US would be invincible if we had pantherfightwagons.

Oh, wait, we already are.

[Gallstones]

[Hermit]

Good looking flowchart, that. Pity it's designed in a fact-free zone.

So, the net effect of more guns is a saving of lives? Let's compare some statistics between the country you live in and the country where I live.

USA
Gun ownership per 100 residents: 89
Murder rate per 100,000 population: 4.8
Homicides by firearm per 100,000 population: 1.60
All deaths by firearm per 100,000 population: 4.80

Australia
Gun ownership per 100 residents: 15
Murder rate per 100,000 population: 1.0
Homicides by firearm per 100,000 population: 0.13
All deaths by firearm per 100,000 population: 1.06

A gun control test that uses actual facts arrives at a different conclusion to that suggested in your flowchart.

[JimC]

^^^^^^^^^^^^