UKIP

[MrJonno]

Generally UKIP MEP's don't turn up to vote in the European Parliament or just vote against any proposals regardless of what they are. They voted against a law banning ivory sales in the EU on the principle that it was the EU. They don't actually have any policies for what to do when they get there.

Not bad for a £100k + expenses job a year where all you have to do is stay in bed or turn up and say wibble every so often

[Svartalf]

Looks like what the FN folk do, and yet, they won't ally to form a single parliamentary group.

[Warren Dew]

Generally UKIP MEP's don't turn up to vote in the European Parliament or just vote against any proposals regardless of what they are. They voted against a law banning ivory sales in the EU on the principle that it was the EU. They don't actually have any policies for what to do when they get there.

Not bad for a £100k + expenses job a year where all you have to do is stay in bed or turn up and say wibble every so often

So if these anti-EU parties gain a majority in the European parliament, the EU quits passing laws?

[JimC]

Generally UKIP MEP's don't turn up to vote in the European Parliament or just vote against any proposals regardless of what they are. They voted against a law banning ivory sales in the EU on the principle that it was the EU. They don't actually have any policies for what to do when they get there.

Not bad for a £100k + expenses job a year where all you have to do is stay in bed or turn up and say wibble every so often

So if these anti-EU parties gain a majority in the European parliament, the EU quits passing laws?

It is rather absurd that they are becoming elected representatives within an institution they don't believe in. Almost Kafkaesque...

[pErvinalia]

Yeah. Very bizarre.

[Tyrannical]

Generally UKIP MEP's don't turn up to vote in the European Parliament or just vote against any proposals regardless of what they are. They voted against a law banning ivory sales in the EU on the principle that it was the EU. They don't actually have any policies for what to do when they get there.

Not bad for a £100k + expenses job a year where all you have to do is stay in bed or turn up and say wibble every so often

So if these anti-EU parties gain a majority in the European parliament, the EU quits passing laws?

It is rather absurd that they are becoming elected representatives within an institution they don't believe in. Almost Kafkaesque...

Nothing odd about it, they joined it so they can vote it out of existence. European member states are no longer sovereign nations, the EU is a country and has sovereignty over member states as shown by the supremacy of EU laws.

[Hermit]

Nothing odd about it, they joined it so they can vote it out of existence.

Hitler famously announced that he will use democracy to destroy it. I guess the kippers took a leaf out of his book.

UKIP used to be small "l" liberals when Alan Skep founded it in 1993. He felt compelled to resign from leadership after Farange brought enough former Nationalist Party members and functionaries in to turn it into the racist and cretinous outfit it is now. The far rightwinger basically usurped leadership through what in Australia is called branch stacking.

[Tyrannical]

Nothing odd about it, they joined it so they can vote it out of existence.

Hitler famously announced that he will use democracy to destroy it. I guess the kippers took a leaf out of his book.

UKIP used to be small "l" liberals when Alan Skep founded it in 1993. He felt compelled to resign from leadership after Farange brought enough former Nationalist Party members and functionaries in to turn it into the racist and cretinous outfit it is now. The far rightwinger basically usurped leadership through what in Australia is called branch stacking.

And the left uses the tyranny of the judicial decree and bypasses democracy. Glad to hear what you think about UKIP, I was a bit worried that they may not be racist enough.

[pErvinalia]

What is "judicial decree" in relation to "bypass[ing] democracy"?? Did you just string two random concepts together and hope they would make sense??

[Hermit]

What is "judicial decree" in relation to "bypass[ing] democracy"?? Did you just string two random concepts together and hope they would make sense??

My guess is that Tyr was ignoring the fact that there is a separation of powers between the legislative, judiciary and executive branches of state. A bit ironic in view of his alias.

[MrJonno]

Well Judges in the UK unlike in the US are not the equal of elected politicians. They can can overrule a politician temporarily but the politician can just go back and change the law to overrule the judge.

The European Courts (not the EU which doest have judges) do have more authority but its a long time to get anything passed by then and they actually don't have any ability to impose their sanctions

[Hermit]

Well Judges in the UK unlike in the US are not the equal of elected politicians. They can can overrule a politician temporarily but the politician can just go back and change the law to overrule the judge.

Well, duh, politicians are elected precisely to enact new laws, amend existing ones or abolish them. Some nations even have a specific institution established to do exactly that. I don't know about what such a thing might be called in your country, but in Australia we call it "parliament". That's the legislative branch of state. 'Mazing stuff, huh?

[MrJonno]

Well Judges in the UK unlike in the US are not the equal of elected politicians. They can can overrule a politician temporarily but the politician can just go back and change the law to overrule the judge.

Well, duh, politicians are elected precisely to enact new laws, amend existing ones or abolish them. Some nations even have a specific institution established to do exactly that. I don't know about what such a thing might be called in your country, but in Australia we call it "parliament". That's the legislative branch of state. 'Mazing stuff, huh?

Not in the US, elected politician wants to change the law, unelected politician (judge) says sorry a dead for 200 years slave owner wrote down that you can't go away

The ECHR judges (not part of the EU) can do the same but sensible most of its absolute 'freedoms' specific say what the exceptions are so far example the ECHR 'Freedom of Religion' basically says you practice whatever belief you want but not if it screws up the running of the country

In the UK if parliament wanted to pass a law saying everyone needs to dye their hair green they ultimately could do so and no judge or other British institution could stop them (ECHR probably could)

[Hermit]

In the UK if parliament wanted to pass a law saying everyone needs to dye their hair green they ultimately could do so

Correct. That's what the legislative branch of government in democracies is about.

Of course laws can be challenged and overturned on constitutional grounds by another branch called the judiciary, over which the legislators have no control. This is known to have happened from time to time. Alternatively, the electorate can vote the legislators of such a law out of office, and replace them with a lot that will repeal it. This also is known to have happened. We know this structure of government under the name of parliamentary democracy. It's by no means perfect, but if you know of a better system please let us know.

[MrJonno]

Of course laws can be challenged and overturned on constitutional grounds by another branch called the judiciary, over which the legislators have no control.

Not in the UK they can't, all a judge can do is say a politician is acting illegally or wants to under current laws, the politicians can simply then go back and change the law , a judge is merely a delay never a veto.

There is no such thing as acting unconstitutionally in British law, that's an American concept (that we can do without)