People may be tied to their party, but not their party's leader. I think Labour will dump Miliband, he's just too weird and not that popular with the voters. Cameron is more secure, but he also has the most to answer for with the rise in UKIP sapping votes. But his stubbornness could get the best of him if he is forced to make peace with UKIP or be replaced with someone that would.MrJonno wrote:I agree with on the Lib Dem's (agreeing with you on anything is painful) but Labour and the Tories are far more than whoever is their leader. Most people would continue to vote for them if they replaced their leaders with a blue or red cabbage.The non-nutjob parties
The Lib Dems are totally destroyed. Nick Clegg will either be gone, or the party's last member
Labour not in bad shape, except Red Ed Miliband faces an open revolt.
Tories, not in bad shape, except Cameron too faces an open revolt.
All three party leaders could be over thrown, leaving only Farage left.
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The big winner for the next election is going to be the first past the post system. I can see the right Tories/UKIP getting more votes than the left (Labour) but still getting far fewer seats in parliament.
Question is are those in the right stupid enough to split their vote?
Question is are those in the right stupid enough to split their vote?
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And you might adopt a nice Jewish kid. Both about equally likely.Tyrannical wrote:The non-nutjob partiesMrJonno wrote:I'm going to be positive about the role of UKIP,
They only got 17% in the local elections, they might do a bit better in the EU elections but also certainly pro-EU parties (which nominally includes the Tories) will vastly outnumber them.
They are unlikely to get a single seat in a general election but what it does do is filter out the scum ( don't care if you aren't a racist xenophobic bigot you are associating with people who are) who normally vote for more sane parties. We now know who they are and if all the non-nutjob parties keep their nerve we can isolate them![]()
The Lib Dems are totally destroyed. Nick Clegg will either be gone, or the party's last member![]()
Labour not in bad shape, except Red Ed Miliband faces an open revolt.
Tories, not in bad shape, except Cameron too faces an open revolt.
All three party leaders could be over thrown, leaving only Farage left.
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What the bloody hell is going on over there, UK people? I see the racists shat it in in your elections. Sort yer shit out! 

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I blame the foreigners for the state of the country. Come here and take all the jobs and send the money they make back home. Foreigners, don't need 'em. I mean how are the disabled here ever gonna get their chance of a level playing field if fit and healthy Eastern Europeans are able to swamp the labor market?rEvolutionist wrote:What the bloody hell is going on over there, UK people? I see the racists shat it in in your elections. Sort yer shit out!

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Hey, the situation isn't any better here in Australia. Pauline Pantsdown's racist party disappeared chiefly because John Howard hijacked her racist policies. I can't see much disagreement coming from the Labor party either. Our racism is slightly less visible because it's suffused in our mainstream parties. Look at the asylum seeker issue, for instance. The four thousand boat people that try to reach our shores in any year are imprisoned in concentration camps, basically because they are not Caucasians. Meanwhile we have around 50000 Caucasians overstaying their visas, many of them by several years, but our pollies don't seem to see that as an issue worth bothering with. Why? Well, Australia is no less racist than the countries you complain about.rEvolutionist wrote:What the bloody hell is going on over there, UK people? I see the racists shat it in in your elections. Sort yer shit out!
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I dont' disagree with what you are saying there, but UKIP are openly racist and pretty damn fascist. That a serious issue with them winning the election with ease.
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There are two differences between UKIP and our mainstream parties. One is that UKIP is explicitly racist while our parties implement racist policies without being so blunt about their racism. The other is that UKIP has yet to ascend to government while our racist parties do keep winning elections. Glasshouses much?rEvolutionist wrote:I dont' disagree with what you are saying there, but UKIP are openly racist and pretty damn fascist. That a serious issue with them winning the election with ease.
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Sign of the times. Best try to fit in, maybe get some snazzy uniform later. Always ends bad in the first wave fight against fascism....time and again the people who mean well are slaughtered in football stadiums or hung from things. Gotta lay low, wait for it to vent its fury and live. Only lasts ten or fifteen years when its 'fascism' according to the history books. Try to survive and write a accurate history for the peace and reconciliation movement what comes after any mass slaughtering. That way it is less likely to happen again, until it does. Good guys can't do nothing being dead for a lost cause, no matter how good it is. When the wicked rise to power the wise and good go into hiding. 

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People voting for openly racist and arguably fascist parties is a LOT different from people voting for centrist parties. And it's a lot more concerning.Hermit wrote:There are two differences between UKIP and our mainstream parties. One is that UKIP is explicitly racist while our parties implement racist policies without being so blunt about their racism. The other is that UKIP has yet to ascend to government while our racist parties do keep winning elections. Glasshouses much?rEvolutionist wrote:I dont' disagree with what you are saying there, but UKIP are openly racist and pretty damn fascist. That a serious issue with them winning the election with ease.
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Absolute bollocks.Scumple wrote:Sign of the times. Best try to fit in, maybe get some snazzy uniform later. Always ends bad in the first wave fight against fascism....time and again the people who mean well are slaughtered in football stadiums or hung from things. Gotta lay low, wait for it to vent its fury and live. Only lasts ten or fifteen years when its 'fascism' according to the history books. Try to survive and write a accurate history for the peace and reconciliation movement what comes after any mass slaughtering. That way it is less likely to happen again, until it does. Good guys can't do nothing being dead for a lost cause, no matter how good it is. When the wicked rise to power the wise and good go into hiding.
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That's the denial phase. You will become angry next. Then scared. Followed by a grudging acceptance we are living in those interesting days again.rEvolutionist wrote:Absolute bollocks.Scumple wrote:Sign of the times. Best try to fit in, maybe get some snazzy uniform later. Always ends bad in the first wave fight against fascism....time and again the people who mean well are slaughtered in football stadiums or hung from things. Gotta lay low, wait for it to vent its fury and live. Only lasts ten or fifteen years when its 'fascism' according to the history books. Try to survive and write a accurate history for the peace and reconciliation movement what comes after any mass slaughtering. That way it is less likely to happen again, until it does. Good guys can't do nothing being dead for a lost cause, no matter how good it is. When the wicked rise to power the wise and good go into hiding.

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How exactly do the racist policies of our centrist parties differ from the racist policies of UKIP's? They don't. That's part of what I am saying. The other one is that whereas UKIP has not been able to attract sufficient votes to form a government, ours have. When I look at racism in the UK and compare it to ours I see no reason to feel smug enough to throw stones.rEvolutionist wrote:People voting for openly racist and arguably fascist parties is a LOT different from people voting for centrist parties. And it's a lot more concerning.Hermit wrote:There are two differences between UKIP and our mainstream parties. One is that UKIP is explicitly racist while our parties implement racist policies without being so blunt about their racism. The other is that UKIP has yet to ascend to government while our racist parties do keep winning elections. Glasshouses much?rEvolutionist wrote:I dont' disagree with what you are saying there, but UKIP are openly racist and pretty damn fascist. That a serious issue with them winning the election with ease.
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