Sgt. Timothy Gramins who fired 17 .45-cal. rounds into a hell-bent suspect before putting him down offers these lessons learned from his extraordinary fight for his life:
1.) Beef up your ammo reserves. “A lot more rounds are being exchanged in today’s gunfights than in the past. With offenders carrying heavier weapons, going on patrol with just a handgun and two extra magazines no longer cuts it. Carry more ammo. Always have a backup gun. Carry a loaded rifle where you can reach it. I can’t express how quickly your firearm will go empty when you’re shooting for real. There’s no worse feeling than pulling the trigger and hearing it go ‘click’.”
2.) Practice head shots. “When you fire multiple ‘lethal’ rounds into an attacker and he keeps going, you don’t have the luxury of waiting 20 or 40 more seconds for him to die while he can still shoot at you. Don’t waste time arguing the relative merits of various calibers. No handgun rounds have reliable stopping power with body shots. Pick the round you can shoot best and practice shooting at the suspect’s head.”
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Lessons Learned from Facing an Invincible Assailant
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Man with gun scares parents at children’s baseball game. Not quite the same, but this bloke isn't exactly good PR for the gun lobby while exercising his constitutional right.Gallstones wrote:"I love to go down to the schoolyard and watch all the little children jump up and down and run around yelling and screaming. They don't know I'm only using blanks." ~Emo Phillips
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Putting Gun Death Statistics in Perspective
Gangs Remain Key Unaddressed Problem in Gun Debate
Gangs Remain Key Unaddressed Problem in Gun Debate
There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States. Of those, around 60% are suicides. About 3% are accidental deaths (less than 1,000). About 34% of deaths (just over 11,000 in both 2010 and 2011) make up the remainder of gun deaths. Sometimes the 32,000 and 11,000 figures are used interchangeably by gun control advocates. Clearly, the 32,000 figure is a far more dramatic number and is often used for impact. These numbers are also regularly compared to other countries' gun statistics. But are they true? Here, we will examine some of the most common gun control arguments used and put those figures into perspective...
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Eton College students marching with rifles and top hats in 1915
Seems the Brits do teach their [privileged] youth to shoot--and in school!!!
And yet I have heard so much wailing and gnashing of teeth from Brits should US school children have firearms training in school.The Combined Cadet Force (CCF) is a Ministry of Defence sponsored youth organisation in the United Kingdom.
Pupils normally join at the age of 13 or 14.
All the sections learn drill and all cadets are trained to fire the L98A2 5.56 mm Cadet General Purpose rifle, a semi-automatic only version of the L85A2 used by the UK armed forces. There are also opportunities to fire the .22 No.8 rifle and the L81 Cadet Target Rifle.

Must be a class thing.
We don't like class things in the US.

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Cadets were certainly once big in Britain, as they were in Oz (I was in school cadets in the 60's, and quite enjoyed shooting WW2 Lee Enfields and Bren light machine guns...)
Cadets are no longer seen as a useful school activity in most schools here...
Cadets are no longer seen as a useful school activity in most schools here...
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Fuck the 303s. The school I went to was owned and run by the Christian Brothers. The daily formal periods of religious indoctrination, during which we were told among other things that it is a sin to kill, were compulsory, as was membership of the school's cadet corps, where we were taught among other things how to kill with a Lee Enfield rifle. Its kickback was so bruising that I did not bother aiming at my target by the time I was about to fire off a fifth shot. I just concentrated on keeping the damn thing clear of my shoulder. The Bren gun was nothing like it. Far from kicking back, it actually crept forward with every volley of shots.
Toward the end of the Spanish civil war Franco's troops took to lining up inhabitants of villages and making them strip off their shirts. Anyone found with a bruise on their right shoulder was summarily executed.
Toward the end of the Spanish civil war Franco's troops took to lining up inhabitants of villages and making them strip off their shirts. Anyone found with a bruise on their right shoulder was summarily executed.
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Wait, that's IMPOSSIBLE! The UK has GNUS CONTROL and it BANS GNUS, therefore it is simply physically impossible for any gnus whatsoever to enter the UK because they bounce off the bubble of hypocrisy that englobes that little island.Gallstones wrote:Met Police seize arsenal of weapons including assault rifles, sawn-off shotguns and Uzis!!1!
A deadly arsenal of weapons described as one of Britain’s biggest ever gun hauls has been seized from a suspected gang hideout.
...
It emerged today that criminals are using a legal loophole to import guns into Britain for use in street shootings and robberies.
...
“The size of the seizure is exceptional [30] and the danger of these weapons in the wrong hands cannot be overestimated.”

By the way, "arsenals" are not deadly because the weapons that make them up are just sitting there doing nothing at all except gradually decomposing thanks to entropy.
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A meer 30 guns?Seth wrote:Wait, that's IMPOSSIBLE! The UK has GNUS CONTROL and it BANS GNUS, therefore it is simply physically impossible for any gnus whatsoever to enter the UK because they bounce off the bubble of hypocrisy that englobes that little island.Gallstones wrote:Met Police seize arsenal of weapons including assault rifles, sawn-off shotguns and Uzis!!1!
A deadly arsenal of weapons described as one of Britain’s biggest ever gun hauls has been seized from a suspected gang hideout.
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It emerged today that criminals are using a legal loophole to import guns into Britain for use in street shootings and robberies.
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“The size of the seizure is exceptional [30] and the danger of these weapons in the wrong hands cannot be overestimated.”
By the way, "arsenals" are not deadly because the weapons that make them up are just sitting there doing nothing at all except gradually decomposing thanks to entropy.
The average gun nut in the US could have that many tucked away in the basement, ready for der tag...
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Those are Enfields in the WWI-era photo of the out-of-step public school lads. Dat hump.
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Certainly look like Lee Enfields, but I can't figure out which model, assuming the 1915 date is correct.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Many of those lads, no doubt, never made it back to England when it was their turn to die for king and country...piscator wrote:Those are Enfields in the WWI-era photo of the out-of-step public school lads. Dat hump.
At least they would have died as officers and gentlemen...
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Yes, I read that too. It's the reason for the high incidence of left-handedness in Spain today.Hermit wrote: Toward the end of the Spanish civil war Franco's troops took to lining up inhabitants of villages and making them strip off their shirts. Anyone found with a bruise on their right shoulder was summarily executed.
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JimC wrote:Many of those lads, no doubt, never made it back to England when it was their turn to die for king and country...piscator wrote:Those are Enfields in the WWI-era photo of the out-of-step public school lads. Dat hump.
At least they would have died as officers and gentlemen...
And behind Irishmen, Scots, Australians, Kiwis, and Commoners...
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