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Re: Half price sale: Nigerian brides.

Post by JimC » Mon May 12, 2014 9:53 am

mistermack wrote:What the fuck are primers? I thought bullets were one-piece these days?
Not that I know much about that shite.
I think it's when you want to re-load spent cartridges, centre fire at least...

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Post by mistermack » Mon May 12, 2014 10:04 am

JimC wrote:
mistermack wrote:What the fuck are primers? I thought bullets were one-piece these days?
Not that I know much about that shite.
I think it's when you want to re-load spent cartridges, centre fire at least...

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Sounds a bit laborious. Why not just save up spent cartridges and trade them in when you get new ones?
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Re: Half price sale: Nigerian brides.

Post by JimC » Mon May 12, 2014 10:40 am

mistermack wrote:
JimC wrote:
mistermack wrote:What the fuck are primers? I thought bullets were one-piece these days?
Not that I know much about that shite.
I think it's when you want to re-load spent cartridges, centre fire at least...

Waste not, want not...
Sounds a bit laborious. Why not just save up spent cartridges and trade them in when you get new ones?
The real fanatics like to re-load with great care, accurately measuring powder etc., claiming a more accurate result...

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Post by mistermack » Mon May 12, 2014 12:34 pm

JimC wrote: The real fanatics like to re-load with great care, accurately measuring powder etc., claiming a more accurate result...

Every man needs a hobby...
Yeh, they need to save themselves from house invasions and muggers at extremely long range.

It's all beginning to make sense.
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Re: Half price sale: Nigerian brides.

Post by rainbow » Mon May 12, 2014 12:40 pm

Of course none of this would've happened if guns were freely available in Northern Nigeria.
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Post by Seth » Tue May 13, 2014 3:09 am

mistermack wrote:What the fuck are primers? I thought bullets were one-piece these days?
Not that I know much about that shite.
Look at the back end of a cartridge (not bullet, that's the projectile) and you'll see a little round flat-topped button. That's the primer, and it's what sets off the powder charge.

Inside the metal cup is a friction-based pyrotechnic substance between the cup and a little three-lobed "anvil". The primer is seated in the cartridge case, which has a small hole that goes through the base into the main body of the case, where the powder is loaded.

When the firing pin strikes the primer cup, it pushes the pyrotechnic against the anvil, creating sufficient friction to cause the primer charge to ignite, which flashes into the "touchhole" and ignites the powder.

Everything else is easy to find or even make, including gunpowder, but the machinery it takes to build primers is expensive and complex, and manufacturing primers is dangerous because the slightest mistake sets off the pyrotechnic and can end up blowing up the factory/manufacturer.

It's very much like making matches, but the pyrotechnic is more finely designed for proper ignition and reliability. People have been known to take expended cartridge cases, punch out the primers, re-form the cup in a die, do the same to the anvil and make their own pyrotechnic past to "reload" primers, but they are usually unreliable at best.

Making primers is a very exacting process if you want consistency and reliability.
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Re: Half price sale: Nigerian brides.

Post by Seth » Tue May 13, 2014 3:14 am

JimC wrote:
mistermack wrote:
JimC wrote:
mistermack wrote:What the fuck are primers? I thought bullets were one-piece these days?
Not that I know much about that shite.
I think it's when you want to re-load spent cartridges, centre fire at least...

Waste not, want not...
Sounds a bit laborious. Why not just save up spent cartridges and trade them in when you get new ones?
The real fanatics like to re-load with great care, accurately measuring powder etc., claiming a more accurate result...

Every man needs a hobby...
It's more than a claim. Each rifle is different, and true marksmen "tune" their load to their rifle to obtain the best possible consistency and grouping. I used to do it a lot, but haven't lately. I worked up a load for my .243 for prairie dogs shooting with my Sako action and barrel. It took 200 rounds to find the right combination of case preparation, primer selection, powder type, powder amount, bullet design and weight and seating depth to find the best combination, which resulted in a decrease in size of my groups at 300 yards from 1/2 MOA (1.5 inches) to 1/6 MOA (0.47 inches) for my average grouping. The really good shooters put the projectile through the same hole often enough that at competitions they have a moving paper tape mechanism behind the bullseye to ensure that all shots were fired and went through the same hole.
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Post by Seth » Tue May 13, 2014 3:16 am

rainbow wrote:Of course none of this would've happened if guns were freely available in Northern Nigeria.
Probably not. If the residents of the community had been determined to fight off the Boko Haram when they came calling. But they couldn't even try, because they didn't have any guns.

I would note that Boko Haram has not attempted to kidnap 300 girls in the United States. I suspect there's a reason for that that's at least partially related to how quickly they would get dead if they tried.
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Post by JimC » Tue May 13, 2014 3:26 am

Seth wrote:
rainbow wrote:Of course none of this would've happened if guns were freely available in Northern Nigeria.
Probably not. If the residents of the community had been determined to fight off the Boko Haram when they came calling. But they couldn't even try, because they didn't have any guns.

I would note that Boko Haram has not attempted to kidnap 300 girls in the United States. I suspect there's a reason for that that's at least partially related to how quickly they would get dead if they tried.
Even in a country with few personal weapons, as long as there is strong, competent government and law enforcement, both sadly lacking in Nigeria...
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Post by Seth » Tue May 13, 2014 6:18 am

JimC wrote:
Seth wrote:
rainbow wrote:Of course none of this would've happened if guns were freely available in Northern Nigeria.
Probably not. If the residents of the community had been determined to fight off the Boko Haram when they came calling. But they couldn't even try, because they didn't have any guns.

I would note that Boko Haram has not attempted to kidnap 300 girls in the United States. I suspect there's a reason for that that's at least partially related to how quickly they would get dead if they tried.
Even in a country with few personal weapons, as long as there is strong, competent government and law enforcement, both sadly lacking in Nigeria...
Strong government and law enforcement and competent government and law enforcement are oxymoronic because power corrupts. The greater the power (strength) of either, the more corrupt they become.

The Founders understood this, which is why they made the Constitution a document of negative liberties that constrains government, not the People.

The only true defense of liberty is an armed citizenry determined to keep the peace and defend the innocent with their own arms when called upon to suppress enemies foreign and domestic...like a strong government and police force.
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Post by JimC » Tue May 13, 2014 7:31 am

Tell that to Boko Haram...
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Post by mistermack » Tue May 13, 2014 1:31 pm

The US constitution was written for a country that had many places where no law existed, and where the guns weren't much more effective than bows and arrows.
You might as well quote the bible, for pearls of wisdom.

The morons in the US are still worshiping both.
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Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 1:23 am

JimC wrote:Tell that to Boko Haram...
Boko Haram exists as a threat BECAUSE nobody else in Nigeria is armed...except the army, which looks after the interests of the government, not the people.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Post by Seth » Wed May 14, 2014 1:25 am

mistermack wrote:The US constitution was written for a country that had many places where no law existed, and where the guns weren't much more effective than bows and arrows.
This shows how completely ignorant you are of both history and philosophy.
You might as well quote the bible, for pearls of wisdom.
There are in fact many pearls of wisdom in the bible. There's also a lot of swill.
The morons in the US are still worshiping both.
Well, yeah, but then again we've got the guns and the most powerful military in the world, so fuck you, we'll do as we please.
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Re: Half price sale: Nigerian brides.

Post by JimC » Wed May 14, 2014 2:41 am

Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:Tell that to Boko Haram...
Boko Haram exists as a threat BECAUSE nobody else in Nigeria is armed...except the army, which looks after the interests of the government, not the people.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
Army and police may well be impotent in Nigeria, but that would not be the case in many other places in the world.
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