Jeremy Clarkson Media Crucified For Race Rant

[mistermack]

People object to the word ''nigger'' as if somehow, that was the problem. It wasn't, the problem was that people from that era regarded blacks as inferior. Outlawing the word doesn't outlaw the problem

It doesnt remove the problem but it does make it easier to identify the really stupid bigots who aren't even clever enough to hide it

What happens if people object to ''bigot'' as a form of discrimination?
It's more a term of abuse, than "nigger" is.

I personally think that it's the meaning of what's said that should be addressed, not the individual words used to say it.
Reciting that rhyme never was a racially abusive act.
Lots of blacks use the word ''nigger'', so the word itself isn't abusive. It's the context.

[MrJonno]

What happens if people object to ''bigot'' as a form of discrimination?

Well it is and when I use it I mean to discriminate and insult which is perfectly acceptable under political correctness as I'm doing it deliberately

[mistermack]

What happens if people object to ''bigot'' as a form of discrimination?

Well it is and when I use it I mean to discriminate and insult which is perfectly acceptable under political correctness as I'm doing it deliberately

Not sure that I follow the logic of that. It's ok for you to discriminate and insult, but not for others?

Is it perfectly acceptable for some people to call others niggers in a clearly insulting way, as they are doing it deliberately?

I think what it boils down to, is is the word nigger taboo in any context, or just in a racially insulting context? It's been used often enough in this thread, without being used as a racial slur.

[MrJonno]

The whole idea of political correctness was to educate people to avoid unintentionally giving offence. That's a very noble and sensible if occasionally abused aim.

It's not usually a crime to give offence but that doesn't mean most of us would want to reduce occasions we do it.

I don't think calling a person with no legs disabled if offensive but if that person considers it offence then I'm not going to use it. If I think the person with no legs is a cunt I might well call them that to specifically offend them.

That's the differnce

[mistermack]

The whole idea of political correctness was to educate people to avoid unintentionally giving offence. That's a very noble and sensible if occasionally abused aim.

It's not usually a crime to give offence but that doesn't mean most of us would want to reduce occasions we do it.

I don't think calling a person with no legs disabled if offensive but if that person considers it offence then I'm not going to use it. If I think the person with no legs is a cunt I might well call them that to specifically offend them.

That's the differnce

You're happy to be told what's offensive. That's the difference. I'm happy in the knowledge of what I actually meant by words.
If someone wants to take offence, when I didn't mean any, well fuck em.
By the way, a WOMAN with no legs IS a low-down cunt. Fact.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I can't decide if he's guilty or not. Let's see... Eeny Meeny..

[PsychoSerenity]

I never even knew there was a racist version of that rhyme. I always thought it was "piglet".

[cronus]

I never even knew there was a racist version of that rhyme. I always thought it was "piglet".

You only knew the Islamaphobic version.

[mistermack]

I never even knew there was a racist version of that rhyme. I always thought it was "piglet".

It was always ''nigger'' originally. It wasn't racist then. Piglet doesn't even fit the rhyme.
And piglets have hooves, or trotters, not toes.
They are technically toes, I suppose. But you wouldn't normally call them toes.

Eenie meanie minie mo,
catch a piglet by his/her trotter.
If he/she squeals, let him/her go.
Because that's animal abuse,
and shouldn't be tolerated.

[MrJonno]

You're happy to be told what's offensive.

Yes very happy to be told , whether I give a shit or not depends on the person telling me.

If a person with no legs says he finds me calling him disable offensive I will probably stop doing do, if someone says that saying that there is no god is offensive I will tell them to fuck off and that Jesus didnt exist and Mohammed was a paedophile psychopath whose sole contribution to humanity was trying to normalising have sex with 8 year olds

[laklak]

That would be "If ZE hollers", you sexist you.

[HomerJay]

[SteveB]

Someone old person said negro in my writers guild today. It made me uncomfortable with a soupçon of irony.

[SteveB]

I never even knew there was a racist version of that rhyme. I always thought it was "piglet".

It was always ''nigger'' originally. It wasn't racist then. Piglet doesn't even fit the rhyme.
And piglets have hooves, or trotters, not toes.
They are technically toes, I suppose. But you wouldn't normally call them toes.

Eenie meanie minie mo,
catch a piglet by his/her trotter.
If he/she squeals, let him/her go.
Because that's animal abuse,
and shouldn't be tolerated.

Here, it's catch a tiger by the toe.

[cronus]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/m ... p-gear-bbc

Lenny Henry campaigner condemns Jeremy Clarkson's use of the N-word

One of the leading figures behind Lenny Henry's campaign to boost the number of black, Asian and minority workers in television has condemned Jeremy Clarkson's "wholly inappropriate use of the N-word".

Simone Pennant, the founder of the The TV Collective, which helps run Henry's campaign, said such "incidents will keep happening" unless the BBC hires more black and Asian staff on Top Gear and its other shows.

"Clarkson's wholly inappropriate use of the N-word is an example of what happens when there are so few black and Asian people working in the industry," said Pennant, who has worked on shows for BBC3 and Channel 4.

Pennant believes that Clarkson's apology does not address the root of the problem at the corporation.

"I just don't think he would have used that word if there were a number of black and Asian producers or directors on Top Gear," she said. "What this reveals to TV Collective's members is that as long as the industry is not truly serious about diversity these incidents will keep happening."

Despite mounting pressure on the BBC to sack Clarkson, Pennant is unconvinced that such a "kneejerk" move is the right response.

"I don't know whether Jeremy Clarkson should be sacked or not," she said. "I am not a fan of kneejerk reactions. It's not about Danny Cohen sacking Jeremy Clarkson, it's about the BBC hiring black and Asian producers and decision-makers. That is what will reduce or stop these racist comments."

The furore has also sparked anger from black and Asian staff at the BBC.

Winston Phillips, the chair of the 400 strong BBC Black and Asian Forum, said: "We are very disappointed that a fellow colleague would resort to such offensive and outdated language. We are hoping the BBC deals with him accordingly."

(continued, you never see a black Doctor Who....either, institutionally racialist?)