I just realized...

[Robert_S]

I really hate Oasis. I used to be mildly annoyed at them, but I really really hate them.

I made an offhand comment on FB about them and I realized that I had never really paid attention. So I decided to see if there was something to them that maybe I had missed, I can wax self critical like that sometimes. I actually just now, after all these years, realised that their two big hits Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova actually two different songs.

They makes lots of earworms, but the songs themselves

Then there's Wonderwall. I actually looked at the lyrics as a whole and not just phrases sung to effective little earworms. Damn that's sad. AS far as I can tell through the forced rhymes and word salad, he's lamely trying to cgetonvince someone that what they're supposed to do now is get into a co-dependant saviour relationship. But luckily for the person, and unlucky for us, he doesn't know how to put it into words (Obviously, from the sad assed lyrics. And he fancies himself a songwriter ) And then, I read it's his own imaginary friend.

Damn that's pathetic. Really pathetic.

Maybe their songs are a cry for help; Help as in euthanasia. But no, nobody kill them please, I don't need to hear these songs on any heavy rotation again. But I hear they do know where some high profile terrorists are. Maybe they should be waterboarded just in case?

[Azathoth]

mindless nasal lyrics whined over 3 chords. What is there not to like

[Audley Strange]

Well I am not a fan but "Supersonic" is a fine statement of intent, even if that intent was take lots of cocaine and sing about how awesome it is and they are in a cod-beatles style for most of their career. They were never to top that opening.

[Jason]

I always thought Wonderwall was about being in love with someone who is a clueless screwup artist.


I actually don't mind the song.

[Rum]

I always knew they were crap. In the 'battle of the Brits' the real talent was always (and obviously) with Blur and Damon Alblamwhatsit.

[cronus]

Oasis is music for the train. Blur can't be played loud, lyrics twice as sussed as Oasis and becomes tedious after a while. Not sure one could have thrived without the other and yet neither of these bands came close to the eighties highs like The Clash, The Jam and The Style Council. They were the beginning of the end of 'popular music' as a intelligent genre.

[Robert_S]

I always knew they were crap as well, but I never realized just how awful they actually were because their sound is so bland that I never actually paid much attention to them. They just never stood out enough for me to actually be really aware of them these past 20 years. I guess it isn't surprising from a sonwriter who feels the need to say to his imaginary friend "I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now"

That must be the reason for the staying power of their songs. They never actually really materialized. They don't fully exist, but kind of hover on the verge of it, like ghosts of people who were never even conceived.

[Jason]

The 80s were good for the English sound. Joy Division then New Order (following Ian Curtis' suicide) - two awesome bands. The Jesus and Mary Chain were pretty awesome too, though they were Scots. All three of them had 'intelligent' song writing.

[PsychoSerenity]

They've done a lot of stuff over the years, some I think better than others. How many do you recognise from this:

[Audley Strange]

I always knew they were crap as well, but I never realized just how awful they actually were because their sound is so bland that I never actually paid much attention to them. They just never stood out enough for me to actually be really aware of them these past 20 years. I guess it isn't surprising from a sonwriter who feels the need to say to his imaginary friend "I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now"

That must be the reason for the staying power of their songs. They never actually really materialized. They don't fully exist, but kind of hover on the verge of it, like ghosts of people who were never even conceived.

Well a lot of Oasis popularity was people sort of desperate for another Stone Roses type "Madchester" scene after the previous grunge-wave topped itself, the whole Britpop phenomenon like the Grunge Madchester, Nu Romantic and even punk were constructions of music magazines more than they were the public. who as always followed blithely along until the next new thing. I recall the transition of punk to new wave and post punk around the late seventies, every first year student with a pen was predicting the next big thing at least twice a week. It got more overtly corporate around then.

Bands like The Stone Roses Blur and Oasis popularity here is as inexplicable to me as much as The Hoff's popularity in Germany is. Both bands have written a few great songs but nothing that stands up over time, I think. Oasis were set to be that kind of band from the outset and I think they succeeded in being exactly that. An initial refreshing rush followed by album after album of tunes that are best alright. Sort of akin to Coke. heh. Many of their peers are all the same, Elastica, Supergrass, Pulp, Suede, The Charlatans even Radiohead, they can all pull out the occasional great tune but more often its hard work and barely worth it and I say that as someone who owns most of those bands work.

[Sean Hayden]

Yar, I've never been able to listen to their music either. In fact, I don't think I've heard anything of theirs besides that Wonderwall song and Champagne Supernova which were both always on the radio.

[JimC]

Young people's music...

[Hermit]

Yeah. Bring back the Bay City Rollers. Or Engelbert Humperdinck... Frank Sinatra... Johann Strauss...

[rachelbean]

Well I am not a fan but "Supersonic" is a fine statement of intent, even if that intent was take lots of cocaine and sing about how awesome it is and they are in a cod-beatles style for most of their career. They were never to top that opening.

The whole of "Definitely Maybe" is good. It's just shallow, straight forward rock and roll. The second is pretty good, but the polish made it lose a lot of the original's charm. After that they were just going through the motions and it was just sad. But yeah, I'll always love Supersonic.

[Audley Strange]

Well I am not a fan but "Supersonic" is a fine statement of intent, even if that intent was take lots of cocaine and sing about how awesome it is and they are in a cod-beatles style for most of their career. They were never to top that opening.

The whole of "Definitely Maybe" is good. It's just shallow, straight forward rock and roll.

Well it sure seems like that but the Lydon nasal whine, the glam guitars, the beatlesy psychedelia and the Happy Monday's shady council rats attitude was, I felt all just a bit too on the nose too studied, to be shallow, it does certainly fucking rock in places, but it does seem a bit like a fanfic band.

The second is pretty good, but the polish made it lose a lot of the original's charm. After that they were just going through the motions and it was just sad. But yeah, I'll always love Supersonic.

I never liked What's the Story? and I thought it an even worse name for an album than definitely maybe. Still it must be hard for bands, you've you're whole life to make your first album rock and 18 months to improve on that with a second. What do you do? More of the same but slicker? Risk something that might lose most of your fanbase? Bands that pull it off are impressive just on that fact alone.

Oasis never really beat their debut, there's many many great first albums, not so many great second albums, even with bands I adore I'm often aware that they've never managed it.