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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by Seth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:34 pm

Hermit wrote:Cheeses fucking crust. If even the simple fact that there are no Maoris in Australia - you know, the Australia, in which I live, and the history of which I'm talking about - cannot penetrate your thick skull, and that they live on a different island 2100 kilometres southeast from here which is an entirely different nation with an entirely different history named New Zealand, it's not surprising at all that you are pathologically incapable of comprehending anything at all that goes counter to your dogma. No wonder you are such a narrowminded, wilfully ignorant being.
Well, I don't know where the fuck you live, since you don't announce it in your profile, and the discussion was at that point about New Zealand, so if the argument doesn't apply to you (which it does) then just shut the fuck up and quit obfuscating and pettifogging.

As for Oz, substitute the word "aboriginals" for "Maori" and the argument absolutely applies to you, who lives on a continent that was invaded and subjugated by the Brits and used as a penal colony for fuck's sake. If you're trying to tell me that the British Crown didn't violently fuck over the Aborigines in Australia for generation after generation I'll just call you a liar.

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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by Seth » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:41 pm

Hermit wrote:Cheeses fucking crust. If even the simple fact that there are no Maoris in Australia - you know, the Australia, in which I live, and the history of which I'm talking about - cannot penetrate your thick skull, and that they live on a different island 2100 kilometres southeast from here which is an entirely different nation with an entirely different history named New Zealand, it's not surprising at all that you are pathologically incapable of comprehending anything at all that goes counter to your dogma. No wonder you are such a narrowminded, wilfully ignorant being.
Well, I don't know where the fuck you live, since you don't announce it in your profile, and the discussion was at that point about New Zealand, so if the argument doesn't apply to you (which it does) then just shut the fuck up and quit obfuscating and pettifogging.

As for Oz, substitute the word "aboriginals" for "Maori" and the argument absolutely applies to you, who lives on a continent that was invaded and subjugated by the Brits and used as a penal colony to imprison British scum of the earth for fuck's sake. If you're trying to tell me that the British Crown didn't violently fuck over the Aborigines in Australia for generation after generation and that the Aborigines would have not been better off if they had arms parity with the Brits when the Brits showed up I'll just call you a liar.

Feet of clay, Hermit...feet of clay.

The whole point here is not to condemn one society or another, it is to point out that no human society on earth that exists or has ever existed or will ever exist is better off when law-abiding citizens are disarmed and criminals (of every stripe including rioters) are not. And because it is factually and physically impossible to completely disarm criminals and prevent them from using weapons that cause or threaten to cause serious bodily harm and/or death, because human beings come with at least four of them built in (hands and feet for the mentally challenged), and because human beings are tool-using creatures who can create deadly weapons out of the simplest materials like rocks and sticks, it is therefore idiocy of the highest order to legislate away the right of the law-abiding citizen to have, at his option, at a minimum, arms parity and optimally arms superiority over any potential attacker.

It's just exactly that simple.
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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by JimC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:22 pm

Seth wrote:
Hermit wrote:Cheeses fucking crust. If even the simple fact that there are no Maoris in Australia - you know, the Australia, in which I live, and the history of which I'm talking about - cannot penetrate your thick skull, and that they live on a different island 2100 kilometres southeast from here which is an entirely different nation with an entirely different history named New Zealand, it's not surprising at all that you are pathologically incapable of comprehending anything at all that goes counter to your dogma. No wonder you are such a narrowminded, wilfully ignorant being.
Well, I don't know where the fuck you live, since you don't announce it in your profile, and the discussion was at that point about New Zealand, so if the argument doesn't apply to you (which it does) then just shut the fuck up and quit obfuscating and pettifogging.

As for Oz, substitute the word "aboriginals" for "Maori" and the argument absolutely applies to you, who lives on a continent that was invaded and subjugated by the Brits and used as a penal colony for fuck's sake. If you're trying to tell me that the British Crown didn't violently fuck over the Aborigines in Australia for generation after generation I'll just call you a liar.

Feet of clay, Hermit...feet of clay.
The poor treatment of the aborigines has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were arguing, which was your contention that Aussies and Kiwis need to stock up on guns to defend themselves against the relentless hordes of looters during natural disasters.

Your sad country may well need such preparations, ours don't...
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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by Gallstones » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:55 pm

But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010

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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by Blind groper » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:04 pm

Not quite sure what Gallstones cartoon was about. Mildly amusing, but irrelevant.

I do, of course, agree with Jim, with the added note that even the USA would be better off without all those guns, but especially the hand guns. If your aim is to defend against looters in a hypothetical and fantasy based armageddon, a rifle is better anyway.

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Post by Seth » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:08 am

JimC wrote:
The poor treatment of the aborigines has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were arguing, which was your contention that Aussies and Kiwis need to stock up on guns to defend themselves against the relentless hordes of looters during natural disasters.

Your sad country may well need such preparations, ours don't...
Er...um...ah...yes it does. I'll bet you'll find in fact that your police have quite a sophisticated and well-armed response plan for violent riots and civil disorder.

As I said, human nature is human nature all over the world and so long as this remains the case there will be a need for the individual to be well-armed and equipped in the event of natural disasters and/or civil disorder. Just because you personally haven't experienced the darker side of human nature under stress doesn't mean you won't or that it cannot happen in your country. It can. Whether it will or not is irrelevant because that is merely a speculative calculation based on nothing in particular.

When The Juice runs out, those who can will take what they want from those who can't defend what they have. That's a simple fact of life and human nature.
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Post by Seth » Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:09 am

Blind groper wrote:Not quite sure what Gallstones cartoon was about. Mildly amusing, but irrelevant.

I do, of course, agree with Jim, with the added note that even the USA would be better off without all those guns, but especially the hand guns. If your aim is to defend against looters in a hypothetical and fantasy based armageddon, a rifle is better anyway.
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Re: Hillbillies and guns.

Post by Gallstones » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:57 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:17 am

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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:22 am

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