And sure, Aussies can be violent - but all you need to do is to avoid the outside of pubs at closing time...
And when the pubs are all closed and everybody's drunk all the time because the rule of law has evaporated? What then?
What I really mean is, aside from end-of-the world scenarios, disasters in Oz at the level of your Katrina do require rational planning and moderate stockpiling of basic supplies, but simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles...
...until they do.
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Svartalf wrote:Safe from rogue cops in the US? Do you include Maricopa Co AZ?
You mean Sheriff Joe Arpio? He's just doing his job, and doing it better than most.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
Svartalf wrote:Safe from rogue cops in the US? Do you include Maricopa Co AZ?
You mean Sheriff Joe Arpio? He's just doing his job, and doing it better than most.
If you call what he does "doing his job", including meddling in birther schemes to prove that Prez Obama is not a Native US citizen even though his mother is, we obviously disagree as to what huis job is, and it's certainly not setting up jailss that violate the 8th amentment.
JimC wrote:What I really mean is, aside from end-of-the world scenarios, disasters in Oz at the level of your Katrina do require rational planning and moderate stockpiling of basic supplies, but simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles...
...until they do.
You mean like when cyclone Tracy destroyed 80% of the residential buildings in Darwin? 30,000 of its total population of 47,000 had to be evacuated. The cyclone killed 71 people. While a small amount of looting occurred, no shots were ever fired by the police, shop owners, looters or anyone else. The only violent act I can find was perpetrated by a police officer who broke the jaw of a man in custody.
Considering that the trappings of civilisation had been basically wiped out, antisocial behaviour was remarkably low and social cohesion and cooperation was the rule in the days, weeks and months that followed. The Australian social fabric is much unlike that of the USA. JimC is spot-on, saying we simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles.
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Svartalf wrote:Safe from rogue cops in the US? Do you include Maricopa Co AZ?
You mean Sheriff Joe Arpio? He's just doing his job, and doing it better than most.
If you call what he does "doing his job", including meddling in birther schemes to prove that Prez Obama is not a Native US citizen even though his mother is, we obviously disagree as to what huis job is, and it's certainly not setting up jailss that violate the 8th amentment.
His jails don't violate the 8th Amendment. As he says, if tents are good enough for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan they are good enough for criminals in Arizona.
As for his off-duty political activities, that's his right.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
JimC wrote:What I really mean is, aside from end-of-the world scenarios, disasters in Oz at the level of your Katrina do require rational planning and moderate stockpiling of basic supplies, but simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles...
...until they do.
You mean like when cyclone Tracy destroyed 80% of the residential buildings in Darwin? 30,000 of its total population of 47,000 had to be evacuated. The cyclone killed 71 people. While a small amount of looting occurred, no shots were ever fired by the police, shop owners, looters or anyone else. The only violent act I can find was perpetrated by a police officer who broke the jaw of a man in custody.
Considering that the trappings of civilisation had been basically wiped out, antisocial behaviour was remarkably low and social cohesion and cooperation was the rule in the days, weeks and months that followed. The Australian social fabric is much unlike that of the USA. JimC is spot-on, saying we simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles.
...until you do. By then it's too late though.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
JimC wrote:What I really mean is, aside from end-of-the world scenarios, disasters in Oz at the level of your Katrina do require rational planning and moderate stockpiling of basic supplies, but simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles...
...until they do.
You mean like when cyclone Tracy destroyed 80% of the residential buildings in Darwin? 30,000 of its total population of 47,000 had to be evacuated. The cyclone killed 71 people. While a small amount of looting occurred, no shots were ever fired by the police, shop owners, looters or anyone else. The only violent act I can find was perpetrated by a police officer who broke the jaw of a man in custody.
Considering that the trappings of civilisation had been basically wiped out, antisocial behaviour was remarkably low and social cohesion and cooperation was the rule in the days, weeks and months that followed. The Australian social fabric is much unlike that of the USA. JimC is spot-on, saying we simply do not require survivalist-style weapons stockpiles.
...until you do. By then it's too late though.
So you keep saying. Won't happen. We have become an independent nation without needing to resort to a revolutionary war. We have taken huge steps in improving our treatment and legal rights of our aborigines without the trauma of a civil war. We are almost entirely devoid of riots. The only ones worth mentioning did not involve the use of firearms - or indeed any other weapons. The few privately organised militia that sprouted from time to time (all of them rabid right wingers) kept sinking without a trace. The most significant action they are known for was to cut the ribbon at the opening of the Sydney Harbour Bridge before the governor could do so. We're a different society to yours. Your blinkered, insular mindset is incapable of comprehending just how profoundly, fundamentally different the fabric of societies can be in comparison to that of your country.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould
laklak wrote:Part of my hurricane preparations, which I take pretty seriously since I live in Hurricane Central, is a well stocked armory. As Jack pointed out, in the aftermath of a catastrophic storm there will be those who ignored the warnings and did not prepare. They won't have food, water, fuel, medicines, a generator or other necessities. A certain percentage of those people will resort to looting or robbery in order to obtain those things. There is also a segment of the population who would see a disaster like that as a perfect opportunity to get a new TV or car, rape somebody, or just engage in a bit of random violence. Look up "Hurricane Katrina" for an object lesson in just how fucked up some people are. Hence the necessity for arms.
When cyclones (our term for hurricanes) have hit in various parts of Australia, there has been massive destruction at times, but relatively little looting (some from supermarkets, I gather) and virtually no violence. The same applies to our other major potential disaster, bush fires. There is certainly need for rational preparation and stock-piling supplies in areas threatened by such events (not so much in suburban Melbourne, but at least we have water tanks...). There is absolutely no need to stockpile weapons in societies such as Australia and NZ. The fact that there might exist such a need in the US is rather sad...
This probably speaks to the large level of inequality and disaffection in segments of US society. Another point is that cyclones generally only hit small population centres in Australia. The hurricanes in the US hit major populations centres, which like all big cities, are going to have a poor and desperate and/or criminal segment of society.
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And sure, Aussies can be violent - but all you need to do is to avoid the outside of pubs at closing time...
Yeah the greatest threat of violent overthrow of society here would be if everyone ran out of beer. In fact, we should ALL stockpile one months worth of beer minimum!
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Hermit wrote:We're a different society to yours. Your blinkered, insular mindset is incapable of comprehending just how profoundly, fundamentally different the fabric of societies can be in comparison to that of your country.
Yeah, this.
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rEvolutionist wrote:the greatest threat of violent overthrow of society here would be if everyone ran out of beer.
Not really. We do not much more than whinge about running out of the stuff.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould
The biggest post disaster risk related to fighting is the people, like certain members of this forum, who insist on arming themselves to the teeth.
Even the recent hurricane in the Philippines, which was the strongest to ever hit land any time in recorded history, did not result in the need for anyone to carry guns. Why not? Because there were no "armed to the teeth" preppers there.
The simple fact is that, the fewer the guns available to civilians, the less the trouble. The USA will, one day, wake up to the fact that its troubles are of its own making, because of that ludicrous second amendment, and the pathological gun culture.
Mad Max wasn't a documentary...
In fact, we should ALL stockpile one months worth of beer minimum! 
