Genocide and Economic Renewal

[cronus]

I've noticed how after a genocide places have a economic rebirth, the classic case is Germany although both Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia are doing quite well these days. No economic migrants from Serbia or Croatia arriving here in great numbers. So, is the one good side effect of a genocide some kind of economic rebirth? Possibly brought about by the emotional cathartic nature of 'removing the unwanted' bringing the remaining closer together. Maybe keeping busy to occupy the thinking and remove all that guilty conscience too? And a housing boom and people wanting to move from where they have committed atrocities keeping the economy on the move? Not saying I advocate it to get out of economic malaise...something I've noticed that may be counter-intuitive, that's interesting.

[Rum]

What utter drivel.

[charlou]

If you wouldn't advocate it, why call it a "good" side effect.

[cronus]

If you wouldn't advocate it, why call it a "good" side effect.

I guess 'good' would be winning the lottery except I don't gamble even if most do.

[pErvinalia]

I've noticed how after a genocide places have a economic rebirth, the classic case is Germany although both Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia are doing quite well these days. No economic migrants from Serbia or Croatia arriving here in great numbers. So, is the one good side effect of a genocide some kind of economic rebirth? Possibly brought about by the emotional cathartic nature of 'removing the unwanted' bringing the remaining closer together. Maybe keeping busy to occupy the thinking and remove all that guilty conscience too? And a housing boom and people wanting to move from where they have committed atrocities keeping the economy on the move? Not saying I advocate it to get out of economic malaise...something I've noticed that may be counter-intuitive, that's interesting.

It seems to be that human groups are uncomfortable with the "out group". That probably causes tensions. Take the out group away, tension decreases. Humans need to grow the fuck up, though.

[cronus]

I've noticed how after a genocide places have a economic rebirth, the classic case is Germany although both Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia are doing quite well these days. No economic migrants from Serbia or Croatia arriving here in great numbers. So, is the one good side effect of a genocide some kind of economic rebirth? Possibly brought about by the emotional cathartic nature of 'removing the unwanted' bringing the remaining closer together. Maybe keeping busy to occupy the thinking and remove all that guilty conscience too? And a housing boom and people wanting to move from where they have committed atrocities keeping the economy on the move? Not saying I advocate it to get out of economic malaise...something I've noticed that may be counter-intuitive, that's interesting.

It seems to be that human groups are uncomfortable with the "out group". That probably causes tensions. Take the out group away, tension decreases. Humans need to grow the fuck up, though.

Do they? or does the economic boom after the cultural revolution distract them with food in the trough....soon as it dries up, hey you...

[FBM]

Eh...When you find yourself at the bottom, there's no other way to go but up.

[cronus]

I would also posit the benefits of a genocide are more immediate within a advanced industrial economy where the information/shock value of events spreads more quickly and across more social strata leading to a more co-ordinated activity response. Similar to when smart people do a murder and get to work hiding the body rather than celebrating.

[FBM]

Throw in a handful of plagues and sweeping natural disasters and we'll all be so well off we can't stand it.

[cronus]

Throw in a handful of plagues and sweeping natural disasters and we'll all be so well off we can't stand it.

I wouldn't say this works by magic. Seems there is a minimum one generational gap also. The fruits are to a 'innocent' generation. Possibly the shattered symbolic motifs of the guilty elders in the aftermath leaves a 'creative vacuum, a blankslate, the younger generation can industriously fill with their own stuff similar to the sixties?

[laklak]

If you see a genocide brewing, invest in the machete company.

[cronus]

If you see a genocide brewing, invest in the machete company.

Yes, like the eight signs of genocide there are unusual ethnic movements and a deep economic decline across 'couldn't give a toss about neighbours' European states. I don't think there is the co-ordination of high enough intelligence to prevent another genocide - this time of Muslims - in Europe. The best that can be done is to stand back from the coming ugly sight, try to limit the genocide to religion so we don't lose Steven Hawkings. Atheists are best suited to highlighting religion is a lifestyle choice not a skin color.

[FBM]

Throw in a handful of plagues and sweeping natural disasters and we'll all be so well off we can't stand it.

I wouldn't say this works by magic. Seems there is a minimum one generational gap also. The fruits are to a 'innocent' generation. Possibly the shattered symbolic motifs of the guilty elders in the aftermath leaves a 'creative vacuum, a blankslate, the younger generation can industriously fill with their own stuff similar to the sixties?

If we just stop reproducing so much and develop truly sustainable lifestyles, I think we might be able to produce the desired effect.

[cronus]

Throw in a handful of plagues and sweeping natural disasters and we'll all be so well off we can't stand it.

I wouldn't say this works by magic. Seems there is a minimum one generational gap also. The fruits are to a 'innocent' generation. Possibly the shattered symbolic motifs of the guilty elders in the aftermath leaves a 'creative vacuum, a blankslate, the younger generation can industriously fill with their own stuff similar to the sixties?

If we just stop reproducing so much and develop truly sustainable lifestyles, I think we might be able to produce the desired effect.

Not a reliable intervention. Look at China after only a few decades? and this would need to be a indefinite change....

[Blind groper]

We are, in fact, "achieving the desired effect." According to Steven Pinker, genocides since WWII have been falling, and the number killed each decade is less than the previous decade. He cheats in his argument by quoting real numbers. How low can you get?