Child 'training' book triggers backlash
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Child 'training' book triggers backlash
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Child 'training' book triggers backlash
A child-raising book that advocates whipping with branches and belts has sold hundreds of thousands of copies to evangelical Christians. But the deaths of three children whose parents appear to have been influenced by the authors' teachings have provoked a growing backlash.
The implements can vary. For a child under one year old, a willowy branch or a 1ft (30cm) ruler is recommended. For older children, a larger branch or a belt.
But the objective of the "spanking" described in Michael and Debbie Pearl's To Train Up a Child is the same - making children surrender completely to their parents' will.
"Training is the conditioning of the child's mind before the crisis arises; it is preparation for future, instant, unquestioning obedience," reads a passage from the book's first chapter.
The "training" is meant to start early and pre-empt the need for punishment. But if the child is already rebellious, parents are told to "use whatever force is necessary to bring him to bay".
"If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered... Defeat him totally."
Hannah (not her real name) grew up in a community of Independent Fundamental Baptists in north-western Florida. Her parents obtained copies of books by the Pearls when she was about nine and her sister seven.
The spanking began shortly afterwards and continued for at least eight years. In the first five years, it usually happened several times daily.
One day, when she was 14 or 15, her father heard a story about Hannah getting into a fight with a boy at church.
"I'm still not sure honestly what I was being accused of, but my dad just completely flipped out because whatever he heard was just atrocious," she says.
He used wooden rulers, or yardsticks, to spank her, snapping about five in the course of the beating - her mother kept a dozen in the house because they broke so often.
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Child 'training' book triggers backlash
A child-raising book that advocates whipping with branches and belts has sold hundreds of thousands of copies to evangelical Christians. But the deaths of three children whose parents appear to have been influenced by the authors' teachings have provoked a growing backlash.
The implements can vary. For a child under one year old, a willowy branch or a 1ft (30cm) ruler is recommended. For older children, a larger branch or a belt.
But the objective of the "spanking" described in Michael and Debbie Pearl's To Train Up a Child is the same - making children surrender completely to their parents' will.
"Training is the conditioning of the child's mind before the crisis arises; it is preparation for future, instant, unquestioning obedience," reads a passage from the book's first chapter.
The "training" is meant to start early and pre-empt the need for punishment. But if the child is already rebellious, parents are told to "use whatever force is necessary to bring him to bay".
"If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered... Defeat him totally."
Hannah (not her real name) grew up in a community of Independent Fundamental Baptists in north-western Florida. Her parents obtained copies of books by the Pearls when she was about nine and her sister seven.
The spanking began shortly afterwards and continued for at least eight years. In the first five years, it usually happened several times daily.
One day, when she was 14 or 15, her father heard a story about Hannah getting into a fight with a boy at church.
"I'm still not sure honestly what I was being accused of, but my dad just completely flipped out because whatever he heard was just atrocious," she says.
He used wooden rulers, or yardsticks, to spank her, snapping about five in the course of the beating - her mother kept a dozen in the house because they broke so often.
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What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?
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Fucking "Christians". I'd like to stuff them in a building and set fire to it.
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Better still, drug them, transport them to Mecca, and release them on the streets in a dazed state with no passport and a backpack full of bibles...rEvolutionist wrote:Fucking "Christians". I'd like to stuff them in a building and set fire to it.

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While I believe that corporal punishment is necessary for children at home and in schools, it should be used sparingly. A bare hand should generally be used by the spanker because it should literally pain you to punish your child also. A light ruler would suffice at school.
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You definitely need some good spanking.Tyrannical wrote:While I believe that corporal punishment is necessary for children at home and in schools, it should be used sparingly. A bare hand should generally be used by the spanker because it should literally pain you to punish your child also. A light ruler would suffice at school.

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You can't blame them, it is their religion. As the bible says:
As to those children on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance).
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Where the Eff is that bit from?
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Interesting.NineBerry wrote:You can't blame them, it is their religion. As the bible says:
As to those children on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance).
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Obviously not, or is that from a priests' training manual?
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He'd like it better if the black guy was administering. That's all racists want, really, to be spanked by a huge Mandingo and then get 11" of dusky cock up their shitters. Classic closet-dwellers.NineBerry wrote:You definitely need some good spanking.Tyrannical wrote:While I believe that corporal punishment is necessary for children at home and in schools, it should be used sparingly. A bare hand should generally be used by the spanker because it should literally pain you to punish your child also. A light ruler would suffice at school.

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It does look vaguely XC.
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Tyrannical is the black guy in the image. We all know that all homophobes are secretly gay. In the same way all white racists are secretly black.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:He'd like it better if the black guy was administering. That's all racists want, really, to be spanked by a huge Mandingo and then get 11" of dusky cock up their shitters. Classic closet-dwellers.
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This is also possible. He luuuuuurrrrrvvvvvvz dat jerk chickin!NineBerry wrote:Tyrannical is the black guy in the image. We all know that all homophobes are secretly gay. In the same way all white racists are secretly black.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:He'd like it better if the black guy was administering. That's all racists want, really, to be spanked by a huge Mandingo and then get 11" of dusky cock up their shitters. Classic closet-dwellers.

...and Seth probably wanks himself to sleep over pics of Karl Marx. Allegedly.

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