Art and Atheism

[cronus]

No it isn't. Art and science are both unique in requiring individual dedication and attention. The inspired activity of looking and thinking and doing appears similar, could even be identical from some angles.

Sport doesn't require "individual dedication and attention"? Business doesn't? Playing poker doesn't? Are you going to tell a bus driver that his job doesn't require "individual dedication and attention"?

No, narrow rote skills are different from wider 'muse' lead activities.

[cronus]

Also a lot of science geek atheists like music and photography as part time hobbies....yet avoid going full time since it would cost.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

No it isn't. Art and science are both unique in requiring individual dedication and attention. The inspired activity of looking and thinking and doing appears similar, could even be identical from some angles.

Sport doesn't require "individual dedication and attention"? Business doesn't? Playing poker doesn't? Are you going to tell a bus driver that his job doesn't require "individual dedication and attention"?

No, narrow rote skills are different from wider 'muse' lead activities.

So science is "muse-led", is it? The guys testing digestive enzymes on behalf of cosmetics firms are doing so because their muse dictates it, are they? Most people working in science are workaday grunts, doing a repetitive job for an average wage. You seem to think they are all living in ivory towers making extraordinary breakthroughs by prodigious feats of imagination and intellect. That is NOT the everyday reality of scientific careers! For every Isaac Newton or Einstein, there are a million lab geeks dripping things into other things and writing down meticulous measurements.

As usual, your arguments do not compare favourably with reality.

[Tero]

Of course we have art! How else are we going to find mates! We have to dance.

[cronus]

CO2 levels indicate zombie atheist science geeks are best turned to zombie atheist art geeks. The only way. We need more Kraftwerks and eventually some folk music too. Anarchy of the thinking class.

[Audley Strange]

You're off into wibble territory again.

There is no difference between art and sciences. They are both techniques which we use to learn more about ourselves and our environment both inner and outer. Those who have god need neither. They have all the answers and those who have all the answers are generally never worth listening to and frankly since they know it all should shut the fuck up.

[cronus]

You're off into wibble territory again.

There is no difference between art and sciences. They are both techniques which we use to learn more about ourselves and our environment both inner and outer. Those who have god need neither. They have all the answers and those who have all the answers are generally never worth listening to and frankly since they know it all should shut the fuck up.

You say that like life isn't a card game.

[Audley Strange]

You're off into wibble territory again.

There is no difference between art and sciences. They are both techniques which we use to learn more about ourselves and our environment both inner and outer. Those who have god need neither. They have all the answers and those who have all the answers are generally never worth listening to and frankly since they know it all should shut the fuck up.

You say that like life isn't a card game.

No I'd say it was more like music.

[Brian Peacock]

Why does atheism edge towards science more than art?

It doesn't, because atheism isn't a thing.

Talking about art is dependent on the subjective whereas talking about science has all those reassuring objective facts to throw around.

[Blind groper]

Definition of art. "Art is whatever the recognised art critics say it is" A dried cowpat nailed to a length of rough timber would be art if those critics agreed it was.

Art does not pay. Well, for 99.9% of those who practise art, that is. For every novel published, there are 100 novelists unable to get their work published. For every 100 published novels, only 1 will make a lot of money. I know this, since I had a book published, and made close to zero $$$$. My publisher told me I was one of the lucky ones!

Same for music. For every Paul McCartney, there are a million wannabees. Ditto painting etc.

[Audley Strange]

Definition of art. "Art is whatever the recognised art critics say it is" A dried cowpat nailed to a length of rough timber would be art if those critics agreed it was.

Art does not pay. Well, for 99.9% of those who practise art, that is. For every novel published, there are 100 novelists unable to get their work published. For every 100 published novels, only 1 will make a lot of money. I know this, since I had a book published, and made close to zero $$$$. My publisher told me I was one of the lucky ones!

Same for music. For every Paul McCartney, there are a million wannabees. Ditto painting etc.

Better definition of art.

Art. As in Artifice, Artifact, Artificial. The human propensity to use its imagination to sculpt the natural world to fit human design. The guy that painted the first circle might have given rise to the sculptor to cave the stone into that shape. Artists, but architects and engineers also. Art pays well enough as long as you don't want to be a "name". It is fair to say though that those seeking fame and fortune are ten a penny and are normally paid to their value.

[Svartalf]

Why does atheism edge towards science more than art?

because art is tainted, it WILL convey and glorify religious messages as well as any other, and is actually not very amenable to glorifying the dry facts that show that deities are figments of the imagination rather than actual beings.

[Svartalf]

To address your question seriously, you're wrong!

There is a preponderance of religious bollocks in art that pre-dates the 20th century because a lot of it was commissioned by the church, or by those that wanted to prove themselves godly!

Modern art (and by that I mean ALL aspects of the arts: music, film, literature, performance art, as well as visual art) is a melange of human opinion and includes every aspect of the sacred and the profane, much as one would expect from any slice of society.

gahk, how do you dare introduce facts in a crumple thread?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

To address your question seriously, you're wrong!

There is a preponderance of religious bollocks in art that pre-dates the 20th century because a lot of it was commissioned by the church, or by those that wanted to prove themselves godly!

Modern art (and by that I mean ALL aspects of the arts: music, film, literature, performance art, as well as visual art) is a melange of human opinion and includes every aspect of the sacred and the profane, much as one would expect from any slice of society.

gahk, how do you dare introduce facts in a crumple thread?

NO NO NO!!1!! Lobster!!!! Lobster!1!! LOBSTER!!1!!!






Better?

[cronus]

To address your question seriously, you're wrong!

There is a preponderance of religious bollocks in art that pre-dates the 20th century because a lot of it was commissioned by the church, or by those that wanted to prove themselves godly!

Modern art (and by that I mean ALL aspects of the arts: music, film, literature, performance art, as well as visual art) is a melange of human opinion and includes every aspect of the sacred and the profane, much as one would expect from any slice of society.

gahk, how do you dare introduce facts in a crumple thread?

NO NO NO!!1!! Lobster!!!! Lobster!1!! LOBSTER!!1!!!








Better?

Facts are for weaklings. In the real world more people have died on account of fiction than any fact. That's the real world. Some are in denial and utilise statistics. They won't live a day longer for that.