Catholic Chruch won't let me leave.

[Hermit]

Excommunication doesn't matter. Even when excommunicated, the church still considers you to be Catholic. You're just, temporarily out of God's grace, and so not allowed to take part in the sacraments.

But you'll still be in the numbers.

Not, if you go by the census that takes place every five years. I think those numbers are more important than the ones the catholic church may or may not assert. Unfortunately, 3.5 of the 3.9 million Irish declared themselves (and their children) to be of the catholic christian faith in the 2011 census. Of course most of them are perhaps only nominally catholic, but those are the figures the catatonic chruch can more or less rightfully cite.

All part of the same game.

There was a lot of protest about the structuring of the question about religion, and guaranteed a high response.

Got any links to that issue? I'm not doubting you, just genuinely interested in shenanigans like that. Reality beats any fictionalised account, like that in one episode of Yes Minister, in which Appleby explains how to ensure the desired result in surveys by tayloring and slanting a question accordingly.

[Seth]

What crawled up your arse today, Seth? Go take a happy pill.

Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox.

No. That's just what you think you're doing.

Well, since what I think is the only important thing, I'm good with that. You can fuck off somewhere else if you like.

What you're really doing is , at least as far as everyone else is concerned.

Are you claiming omnipotence in addition to omniscience oh Great and Wonderful Oz?

Nobody likes you enough, or values your opinions enough, to actually read what you write.

My dog liked me. I guess that'll have to do.

Maybe that's their loss. I wouldn't know. I don't read it either.

Quite clearly and obviously you're lying, because you have to read my stuff in order to have the opinions you do about it.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Quite clearly and obviously you're lying, because you have to read my stuff in order to have the opinions you do about it.

Only the short bits. I gave up reading the repetitive tracts you churn out years ago.

For example, you wrote: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox."

I read: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a blah blah blah blah...."

I'm pretty good at skimming through ideological waffle whichever side of whichever debate it comes from.


I hope your acerbity has improved. You really should get that looked at.

[Seth]

Quite clearly and obviously you're lying, because you have to read my stuff in order to have the opinions you do about it.

Only the short bits. I gave up reading the repetitive tracts you churn out years ago.

That speaks to the strength of your intellectual abilities, not the quality of my arguments.

For example, you wrote: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox."

I read: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a blah blah blah blah...."

I'm pretty good at skimming through ideological waffle whichever side of whichever debate it comes from.

Except you're lying again because you had to read it to copy and paste it. Nice try though.

[Cormac]

They will, but can discriminate and select Catholic Children over mine.

But the exclusion is more subtle. They make it impossible for a child's parents to vindicate their right not to suffer proselytisation in school.

As far as I know no parent has a "right" "not to suffer proselytiation" in a religious school. Nor do their children.

If you don't want your kids attending a religious school, then don't send them to one. Pretty simple really.

Oh, wait, I see what your complaint is: You want SOMEBODY ELSE to pay to educate your child and you ALSO want control over what they get taught using OPM.

All I can say to that is "move to the US," or keep your John Thomas in your pants and don't have kids.

Nope.

Our constitution guarantees that right.

Boy, don't you just fucking HATE it when your government ignores the very founding documents that give it (and don't give it) authority to govern?

I sure do. I mean really, my Constitution guarantees my right to keep and bear arms and it flatly forbids Congress (or any other sub-level government thanks to the 14th Amendment) from "infringing' on that right. And yet it does so all the time. And fuckwits on the Interwebz keep nattering on about how that's a good thing, and that constitutions are pieces of paper (parchment actually) written by old dead guys that don't mean anything and must be adapted or ignored consistent with the needs and desires of....wait for it....the collective.

But it seems that some of them get all pissy and hypocritical when THEY get THEIR ox gored by their own government ignoring THEIR rights (which some other Marxist fuckwits on the Interwebz don't even agree exist at all) and doing as the collective pleases.

I like to call that "rank hypocrisy."

It also bars our state from endowing ANY religion, yet our state funds religious education in 99.5% of schoos, and fails to provide a mechanism to vindicate the constitutional protection against proselytisation.

Dang socialists, ignoring pieces of paper written by old dead white guys. What the fuck is up with that anyway??

Also, it isn't a question of me wanting someone else to pay for my children's education.

Of course it is. Otherwise you'd pay for a private school education for your kids.

I pay taxes here, and those taxes contribute to the education budget which FULLY funds those schools, and those schools have a constitutional obligation to provide my children with a religion free education,

Fuck man, there's those old dead white guys groping up your skirt from the grave. Seems the collective disagrees with them, and you, and have decided what's best for your kids. That you don't like that means fuck-all because your kids don't belong to you, they are effectively wards of the state, to be raised as the collective deigns suitable. Fucking sucks, doesn't it?

if that is my preference, are yet allowed under the law to ignore my preferences and proselytise anyway. I pay the tax and the state reneges on its part of the deal.

Wow. That really sucks man...or it would if rank hypocrisy weren't involved. As it is, I can only say that you're getting exactly what you deserve, good and hard. Pity about your kids though.

As it happens, I am one of the lucky ones. We have an Educate Together school about 7 miles away, and we bring our older boy there. In these schools children of all faiths and none are welcome. They teach about all religions, agnosticism, and atheism, and the schools deliberately do not value one over the other. But having this close by is very lucky in Ireland. These schools are over subscribed in a big way, and there aren't many of them. We pass three other primary schools on the way, and indeed, in a five mile radius of our house there are about seven other tax funded schools. Most of them are on my wife's road to work. I work 75km the other direction.

Sucks being part of a marginalized "minority" doesn't it? Nobody wants to listen to your complaints. They just say "Shut the fuck up Comrade or we'll re-educate you into proper Marxist obedience." Go figure.

All schools in Ireland should be Educate Together, for two main reasons. The first is that we have limited resources, and it is moronic and discriminatory to pretend that the state can facilitate everyone's favourite ethos in state funded schools because we can't afford it, apart from it being a flat contradiction of the constitution.

Well, now all you have to do is convince everybody else, or at least a majority of them, and get them to vote for change...before some bureaucratic minion decides that you're a pain in his bureaucratic ass and decides to have you liquidated. Welcome to Democracy my friend...good, hard Democracy.

Edit: Oops. Sorry. The second reason is that we have an ignoble history of sectarianism in this country, and sectarian schooling only serves to sustain such stupidity. When kids grow and learn together, they've a better chance of not turning out like sectarian or racist asshole.

Evidently the consensus is that atheists are the assholes and the collective is determined not to let children be raised up as atheistic assholes. Or so it seems anyway.

Don't know what to tell you man...well, except perhaps it's time to take up arms against the sectarian tyranny you suffer under.

Oh, wait, you don't have any arms to take up, do you?

Damn. You're just completely and totally fucked dude.

How's that petard feel between your knees?

Poor Seth.

You don't know what my views are on gun ownership after all this time. I guess you're too busy admiring your own vast works of ornate flights of oratorical artifice to pay any attention to what a person actually says, aren't you.

[Cormac]

What crawled up your arse today, Seth? Go take a happy pill.

Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox.

Poor Seth.

After all this time he hasn't realised that I'm not a socialist either.



So much for his self-assessed brilliance at argument.

[Cormac]

Excommunication doesn't matter. Even when excommunicated, the church still considers you to be Catholic. You're just, temporarily out of God's grace, and so not allowed to take part in the sacraments.

But you'll still be in the numbers.

Not, if you go by the census that takes place every five years. I think those numbers are more important than the ones the catholic church may or may not assert. Unfortunately, 3.5 of the 3.9 million Irish declared themselves (and their children) to be of the catholic christian faith in the 2011 census. Of course most of them are perhaps only nominally catholic, but those are the figures the catatonic chruch can more or less rightfully cite.

All part of the same game.

There was a lot of protest about the structuring of the question about religion, and guaranteed a high response.

Got any links to that issue? I'm not doubting you, just genuinely interested in shenanigans like that. Reality beats any fictionalised account, like that in one episode of Yes Minister, in which Appleby explains how to ensure the desired result in surveys by tayloring and slanting a question accordingly.

http://www.atheist.ie/2011/01/be-honest ... -10-april/

Note that the question assumes you believe in a religion, and buries the "no religion" at the bottom. In a place where many are "cultural" Catholics, this was inevitably going to skew the results. If the first question was about belief in god, we'd have produced a very different result. A better approach would have been:

13. Do you believe in God?

A. Yes
B. No

14. If you answered "Yes" then what is your religion?

A. Catholic.
B. Anglican
C.
D.
E.
F.
G.
H. Other.



As it is phrased, incidentally, it is assuming that "No Religion" is a religious belief...

This was called out and criticised before the census was published and before it was run. The CSO refused to change it, which made many of us suspect that there were ulterior motives at play.

[JimC]

What crawled up your arse today, Seth? Go take a happy pill.

Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox.

Poor Seth.

After all this time he hasn't realised that I'm not a socialist either.



So much for his self-assessed brilliance at argument.

To him, you're a pinko fellow traveller, at the very least...

[Cormac]

What crawled up your arse today, Seth? Go take a happy pill.

Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox.

Poor Seth.

After all this time he hasn't realised that I'm not a socialist either.



So much for his self-assessed brilliance at argument.

To him, you're a pinko fellow traveller, at the very least...

I do, admittedly, sometimes wear a smart pink shirt, but that is all I'll admit to.

[Hermit]

Excommunication doesn't matter. Even when excommunicated, the church still considers you to be Catholic. You're just, temporarily out of God's grace, and so not allowed to take part in the sacraments.

But you'll still be in the numbers.

Not, if you go by the census that takes place every five years. I think those numbers are more important than the ones the catholic church may or may not assert. Unfortunately, 3.5 of the 3.9 million Irish declared themselves (and their children) to be of the catholic christian faith in the 2011 census. Of course most of them are perhaps only nominally catholic, but those are the figures the catatonic chruch can more or less rightfully cite.

All part of the same game.

There was a lot of protest about the structuring of the question about religion, and guaranteed a high response.

Got any links to that issue? I'm not doubting you, just genuinely interested in shenanigans like that. Reality beats any fictionalised account, like that in one episode of Yes Minister, in which Appleby explains how to ensure the desired result in surveys by tayloring and slanting a question accordingly.

http://www.atheist.ie/2011/01/be-honest ... -10-april/

Note that the question assumes you believe in a religion, and buries the "no religion" at the bottom. In a place where many are "cultural" Catholics, this was inevitably going to skew the results. If the first question was about belief in god, we'd have produced a very different result. A better approach would have been:

13. Do you believe in God?

A. Yes
B. No

14. If you answered "Yes" then what is your religion?

A. Catholic.
B. Anglican
C.
D.
E.
F.
G.
H. Other.

As it is phrased, incidentally, it is assuming that "No Religion" is a religious belief...

This was called out and criticised before the census was published and before it was run. The CSO refused to change it, which made many of us suspect that there were ulterior motives at play.

Good points. Thank you.

More disturbing than that, though, is the claim in the comments section that in Ireland only the head of the household gets to fill out the census form. Is that so?

[Seth]

You don't know what my views are on gun ownership after all this time. I guess you're too busy admiring your own vast works of ornate flights of oratorical artifice to pay any attention to what a person actually says, aren't you.

It doesn't matter what your views on gun ownership are. The fact is that you have no right to keep and bear arms, and you have no arms, and therefore you are a slave of the state, whether you like it or not.

Now, perhaps you're a member of the IRA with a dozen AKs and some Semtex stashed away in the basement, in which case it makes no difference either because the fact remains that your government has divested you of your rights and turned you into a criminal slave and you have allowed it to do so.

Facts speak much louder than opinions I'm afraid.

[Seth]

What crawled up your arse today, Seth? Go take a happy pill.

Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox.

Poor Seth.

After all this time he hasn't realised that I'm not a socialist either.



So much for his self-assessed brilliance at argument.

And yet you cannot rebut the argument, just like a socialist, you can only attack the individual, which is a hallmark of Marxist ideology.

Quack quack!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Quite clearly and obviously you're lying, because you have to read my stuff in order to have the opinions you do about it.

Only the short bits. I gave up reading the repetitive tracts you churn out years ago.

That speaks to the strength of your intellectual abilities, not the quality of my arguments.

For example, you wrote: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a socialist complaining about pure unadulterated democratic decision-making that just happens to gore his ox."

I read: "Been there, done that. I'm feeling acerbic today. And I'm intensely enjoying pointing out the rank hypocrisy of a blah blah blah blah...."

I'm pretty good at skimming through ideological waffle whichever side of whichever debate it comes from.

Except you're lying again because you had to read it to copy and paste it. Nice try though.

Yes. I read everything I cut and paste thoroughly.

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[Cormac]

More disturbing than that, though, is the claim in the comments section that in Ireland only the head of the household gets to fill out the census form. Is that so?

Yes. But there is no definition of "The Head of the Household".

I'd say that it is an attempt to ensure that they get a reasonably well filled in response, more than anything else.

[Cormac]

You don't know what my views are on gun ownership after all this time. I guess you're too busy admiring your own vast works of ornate flights of oratorical artifice to pay any attention to what a person actually says, aren't you.

It doesn't matter what your views on gun ownership are. The fact is that you have no right to keep and bear arms, and you have no arms, and therefore you are a slave of the state, whether you like it or not.

Now, perhaps you're a member of the IRA with a dozen AKs and some Semtex stashed away in the basement, in which case it makes no difference either because the fact remains that your government has divested you of your rights and turned you into a criminal slave and you have allowed it to do so.

Facts speak much louder than opinions I'm afraid.

Perhaps Seth. But your previous rant assumed that I was an advocate for gun control in the USA where the government is trying to impose gun control in breach of your constitution, and it took the gloating view that I therefore was hypocritical to.complain about my own government breaching our constitution.

Your reply above addresses a completely different issue. It may be true, it may not be true, but it is a significant move of the goalposts.