Come in, Agent Dawkins, your job is done

[Cormac]

No the last thing they invented, way back, was the number 0.

Was that Muslims?

Folks writing in arabic. They were widely speead in the Meditarranean world. Most were Muslims.

Iran: prior to 1979. They had technology, but an autocratic secular leader.

So - the Muslim mathematicians at their zenith were really before Islam ossified, would it be fair to say?

The Shah overthrew a democratic secular leader though (initially at the behest of the British Secret Service in service of Gulf Oil, and then later in the project, the CIA).

[Robert_S]

No the last thing they invented, way back, was the number 0.

Was that Muslims?

Folks writing in arabic. They were widely speead in the Meditarranean world. Most were Muslims.

Iran: prior to 1979. They had technology, but an autocratic secular leader.

So - the Muslim mathematicians at their zenith were really before Islam ossified, would it be fair to say?

The Shah overthrew a democratic secular leader though (initially at the behest of the British Secret Service in service of Gulf Oil, and then later in the project, the CIA).

Yep. As with everything else. I can oppress and limit myself more effectively than any outside forces could dream of.

But somehow there is more dignity in that than allowing some outside force to take over.

[Tyrannical]

Just imagine how fucked up those Muslims would be without SIX Nobel peace prizes.

[cronus]

Just imagine how fucked up those Muslims would be without SIX Nobel peace prizes.

You forgot Obama won one too.