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mistermack wrote:
Just an illustration of the bollocks that we have been fed over the last ten years.
And it SHOULD be shrinking. We are at the warmest part of the natural interglacial cycle.Blind groper wrote:The rate at which the Arctic ice is melting is a variable. This means some models will put it earlier, and some later. Big deal!
The important thing is that it is shrinking, and that is beyond debate, since records of the past 50 years are unambiguous.
Therefore global warming is crap, and I am going to keep living my profligate energy intensive and wasteful lifestyle. Go you!mistermack wrote:There is a program playing right now on BBC4 called the Arctic.
I suppose it was made a few years ago, because they just said that " some models project that the arctic will be COMPLETELY CLEAR OF ICE IN THE SUMMERS BY 2013 !!!!
So I looked up the current ice extent, for august 2013, and it's amazing ! There appears to be a bit left !
Just an illustration of the bollocks that we have been fed over the last ten years.
It's amazing you even get on a plane.Cormac wrote:I haven't read anything yet that convinces me that our impact is more than an acceleration of the natural cycle.
Am I wrong?
At the same time, we have some scientists arguing that we're heading for another ice age. This is something I've been hearing since the 70's, on and off. Most recently a couple of weeks back.
When people say to me that the vast majority of scientists accept global warming, I find that to some extent convincing. However, there was a time when most scientists believed in phlogiston. Scientific orthodoxy has been overturned many times.
Ah but the really interesting question is does anyone give a flying fuck what you think? I wonder. I muse.Cormac wrote:I haven't read anything yet that convinces me that our impact is more than an acceleration of the natural cycle.
Am I wrong?
At the same time, we have some scientists arguing that we're heading for another ice age. This is something I've been hearing since the 70's, on and off. Most recently a couple of weeks back.
When people say to me that the vast majority of scientists accept global warming, I find that to some extent convincing. However, there was a time when most scientists believed in phlogiston. Scientific orthodoxy has been overturned many times.
In general, I think we should limit or negate our environmental impact as much as possible, because it is, in my view, the ethical thing to do.
The scientific consensus doesn't mean a thing. Sceptical climate scientists are virtually non-existent, because it is perfectly obvious to anyone from day one, that if you are openly sceptical, you will never get any work.Cormac wrote:I haven't read anything yet that convinces me that our impact is more than an acceleration of the natural cycle.
Am I wrong?
At the same time, we have some scientists arguing that we're heading for another ice age. This is something I've been hearing since the 70's, on and off. Most recently a couple of weeks back.
When people say to me that the vast majority of scientists accept global warming, I find that to some extent convincing. However, there was a time when most scientists believed in phlogiston. Scientific orthodoxy has been overturned many times.
In general, I think we should limit or negate our environmental impact as much as possible, because it is, in my view, the ethical thing to do.
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
If it is, it's a lake surrounded by a million square miles of sea-ice.Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The North Pole is currently in a lake.
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