"If you dislike feminism ... "

[Robert_S]

Please, what's feminism proper? And how does it work?

Feminism proper is about seeking opportunities for women that are equal to those of men. Giving them access to the polling booth and to tertiary education are two examples of how feminism has worked in the not so recent past. Equal pay for equal work is another. Fortunately it is no longer deemed necessary to throw oneself underneath a horse to make it work. Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

Nowadays in most of the west though, women are equal or at least a lot closer to equal under the law. So there we've moved on to cultural issues which are a lot less clear cut.

[Hermit]

Please, what's feminism proper? And how does it work?

Feminism proper is about seeking opportunities for women that are equal to those of men. Giving them access to the polling booth and to tertiary education are two examples of how feminism has worked in the not so recent past. Equal pay for equal work is another. Fortunately it is no longer deemed necessary to throw oneself underneath a horse to make it work. Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So how does proper feminism combat social issues?

Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

[fishie]

Please, what's feminism proper? And how does it work?

Feminism proper is about seeking opportunities for women that are equal to those of men. Giving them access to the polling booth and to tertiary education are two examples of how feminism has worked in the not so recent past. Equal pay for equal work is another. Fortunately it is no longer deemed necessary to throw oneself underneath a horse to make it work. Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So how does proper feminism combat social issues?

Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So who do we network to change social attitudes towards something like say rape and victim blaming? And how would one go about it?

[Hermit]

Please, what's feminism proper? And how does it work?

Feminism proper is about seeking opportunities for women that are equal to those of men. Giving them access to the polling booth and to tertiary education are two examples of how feminism has worked in the not so recent past. Equal pay for equal work is another. Fortunately it is no longer deemed necessary to throw oneself underneath a horse to make it work. Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So how does proper feminism combat social issues?

Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So who do we network to change social attitudes towards something like say rape and victim blaming? And how would one go about it?

Join a network / lobby. I don't know where you live, but most countries have some such setup. If you can't find one, just put your foot down and insist on some kind of equity in your own household. If you press hard enough and talk about your problems in that regard with your friends, you'll find to your surprise that you have set up your own network / support group to achieve equity. If you go further, you will have established a lobby.

[fishie]

Feminism proper is about seeking opportunities for women that are equal to those of men. Giving them access to the polling booth and to tertiary education are two examples of how feminism has worked in the not so recent past. Equal pay for equal work is another. Fortunately it is no longer deemed necessary to throw oneself underneath a horse to make it work. Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So how does proper feminism combat social issues?

Networking and lobbying will suffice nowadays.

So who do we network to change social attitudes towards something like say rape and victim blaming? And how would one go about it?

Join a network / lobby. I don't know where you live, but most countries have some such setup. If you can't find ant, just put your foot down and insist on some kind of equity in your own household. If you press hard enough and talk about your problems in that regard with your friends, you'll find to your surprise that you have set up your own network / support group to achieve equity. If you go further, you will have established a lobby.

Ah so a bit like the movements that are turning up on social media all over the place?

[Hermit]

Ah so a bit like the movements that are turning up on social media all over the place?

Yes, but keep in mind that "social media" are not confined to the internet. Movements - apart from happening while squatting on a toilet bowl - can develop while chatting with a friend, neighbour or acquaintance while having a cup of coffee, tea, a bong, casual sex, or whatever else.

[fishie]

Ah so a bit like the movements that are turning up on social media all over the place?

Yes, but keep in mind that "social media" are not confined to the internet. Movements - apart from happening while squatting on a toilet bowl - can develop while chatting with a friend, neighbour or acquaintance while having a cup of coffee, tea, a bong, casual sex, or whatever else.

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then, having begun quite small.
So what is the other sort of feminism?

[Hermit]

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then

What are you driving at?

[fishie]

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then

What are you driving at?

Nothing. Just curious.
So what's the other sort?

[Hermit]

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then

What are you driving at?

Nothing.

Nothing? OK. Let's discuss that then. You start.

[fishie]

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then

What are you driving at?

Nothing.

Nothing? OK. Let's discuss that then. You start.[/quote
I get to start? Ok. I don't get why you think there are different sorts of feminism and why some are ok and some aren't. I am a curious fish by nature.

[Hermit]

I don't get why you think there are different sorts of feminism and why some are ok and some aren't.

Wasn't I clear enough in my first post of this thread? So sorry.

Perhaps you could tell us what you think about feminism, or the various manifestations that purport to be feminism.

[Cormac]

Ah so a bit like the movements that are turning up on social media all over the place?

Yes, but keep in mind that "social media" are not confined to the internet. Movements - apart from happening while squatting on a toilet bowl - can develop while chatting with a friend, neighbour or acquaintance while having a cup of coffee, tea, a bong, casual sex, or whatever else.

So movements such as FEMEN, and Destroy the Joint, and WWR, would be examples of feminism proper then, having begun quite small.
So what is the other sort of feminism?

I like FEMEN. I'm not familiar with the others.

But the other sort of feminism is plain to be seen on Apelust.

[Robert_S]

Are these different feminisms discreet or is it more like a spectrum?

[fishie]

I don't get why you think there are different sorts of feminism and why some are ok and some aren't.

Wasn't I clear enough in my first post of this thread? So sorry.

Perhaps you could tell us what you think about feminism, or the various manifestations that purport to be feminism.

No fair, I asked first.