Merca.

[Coito ergo sum]

We don't have a segment of our society that believes the earth is only 6000 yrs old.

Ken Ham is Australian. Ray Comfort is a New Zealander. There is an Australian Creation Science Foundation. Answers in Genesis, the most famous Creationist research foundation and website, was founded in Australia.

We don't allow the teaching of creationism/ID in our schools science curriculum. etc.. etc... etc...

In 1980 the Queensland state government of Joh Bjelke-Petersen allowed the teaching of creationism as science to school children. On 29 May 2010 it was announced that creationism and intelligent design will be discussed in history classes as part of the new national curriculum. It will be placed in the subject of ancient history, under the topic of "controversies".[78] One Australian scientist who adheres to creation science is Dr Pierre Gunnar Jerlström.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Australia and http://creation.com/dr-pierre-gunnar-jerlstrom

Intelligent Design to be taught in Queensland public schools under national curriculum -- http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 5872896736

In the US, we don't, as the same was invalidated by multiple court challenges which have ruled unequivocally that it cannot be taught in public schools because it violates the First Amendment. See US Supreme Court opinion in Edwards v Aguillard -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._Aguillard

Listen, like I said, I have no desire to bash the US.

You do it enough. And, I've just shown that you are wrong that in Australia -- your country -- when you say they don't teach Creationism. Apparently, they do. And, I have sourced it. I have also shown that your notion that in the US we do teach Creationism in public schools, you're wrong again. They don't, because it's unconstitutional. They do try to squeeze it in here and there, and whereever they do it is challenged and defeated, like in Pennsylvania when they tried to recast it as "Intelligent Design" and the "Dover" case held it unconstitutional.

Despite the nutjobs in your country, you have plenty of excellent, smart, and kind people. If you want to rub the chip on your shoulder, you're going to have to do it with someone else, I'm afraid. I'm happy to talk about this nutty cop, though.

No, just admit that you don't know as much about the US as you thought. Since you were so blatantly wrong about the Creationists in Australia, the teaching of Creationism in Australia, and the fact that it is illegal to teach creationism in public schools in the US - you may want to ask yourself what else you're wrong about. And you may want to get off your high horse.

[Coito ergo sum]

Go head Rev -- tell us all about how there aren't any Creationists in Oz...cough Ken Ham...Answers in Genesis...cough cough... and tell us how they don't teach Creationism in public schools in Australia ....cough... Queensland...cough cough.... and tell us all about how we do teach Creationism in public school in the US... cough...Supreme Court...cough cough...ruled it unconstitutional...cough..

[pErvinalia]

edit: no.

[Robert_S]

Just use spoilers and trigger warnings.

Did I somehow give the impression that I don't want to read any of Coito's post or is your reply the result of operating a keyboard while under the influence of alcohol?

No, I'm saying you should be mindful of certain American's sensitivities.

EDIT: I just realized I totally quoted the wrong block of text, completely screwing up the context.

[pErvinalia]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

[Coito ergo sum]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

It's not butthurt over "criticism of Merca" -- it's the incessant deprecation of Merca in an unjustifiable sense -- the constant "only in Merka" refrain -- the suggestion, incessantly, that "it would never happen here" -- the neverending discussions about how the US is not civilized or a proper country, whereas supposedly the Yerpeeins, Ozzies, etc., are. It's the overarching unjustified expressions of superiority that seem to endlessly spew forth.

Here we have a great example -- "Merca" - some podunk dope in the middle of nowhere makes a weird video -- the guy is an elected police chief in a town of a maximum of 500-odd voters. He's a bit looney. So, "only in Merca" could this happen -- in proper countries, that would never happen. I showed, that, of course, strange and even murderous police do, in fact, get hired in other "proper" countries, so the assertion of "only in Merca" is bollocks -- it's just ignoring what goes on elsewhere and hyper-focusing on the US. Suddenly, the thread turns into an argument that in the US our culture or a significant portion of it is "sick" and demented, and racist, homophobic, etc., and that the proper countries are not that way. I showed that they are.

You spouted off your nonsense about how teaching creationism is something that is prevalent in the US, and yet -- it's unconstitutional based on a still good law Supreme Court Opinion three decades ago that teaching Creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, and that was reaffirmed a few years ago when Intelligent Design was likewise struck down in the Dover case. What made that kind of funny was your bogus assertion that Australians don't teach Creationism in schools, and yet it took two seconds to source out the fact that Australia DOES allow the teaching of Creationism in public schools. And, you said that you don't have significant Creationist population in Oz, and yet one of the most famous Creationists out there, Ken Ham is from Australia and the biggest Creationist research center, Answers in Genesis is also Australian and you have other groups organized to advance creationism in your country.

That should, at least, demonstrate that you have some thinking to do, and perhaps you should reserve some of your sneering until you actually learn something.

[Babel]

Whatever the case, I'm still fascinated by the US and really would like to visit it someday. I know quite a few people that have been there on a roadtrip and they all seemed to agree on a few things
- ridiculously big portion in restaurants
- ridiculously strict security control to get into the country
- pleasant people overall
- Space in abundance
- Beautiful scenery

Mark me down as one European that will cross the big bad ocean to come and see for himself.

[Robert_S]

I like to take the piss out of America from time to time. It's a fun sport and nobody does it better than Americans.

[Coito ergo sum]

Mark me down as one European that will cross the big bad ocean to come and see for himself.

I recommend that you visit New York City first. Can't go wrong with the Big Apple.

But, when you come, I have a feeling you will find the country to be largely devoid of all visible guns and gunfire, and conspicuously absent will be the hoards of dying people who are not able to get adequate healthcare. You probably won't even see a gunfight at high noon!

[pErvinalia]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

It's not butthurt over "criticism of Merca" -- it's the incessant deprecation of Merca in an unjustifiable sense -- the constant "only in Merka" refrain -- the suggestion, incessantly, that "it would never happen here" -- the neverending discussions about how the US is not civilized or a proper country, whereas supposedly the Yerpeeins, Ozzies, etc., are. It's the overarching unjustified expressions of superiority that seem to endlessly spew forth.

i.e. Butthurt.

Here we have a great example -- "Merca" - some podunk dope in the middle of nowhere makes a weird video -- the guy is an elected police chief in a town of a maximum of 500-odd voters. He's a bit looney. So, "only in Merca" could this happen -- in proper countries, that would never happen. I showed, that, of course, strange and even murderous police do, in fact, get hired in other "proper" countries, so the assertion of "only in Merca" is bollocks -- it's just ignoring what goes on elsewhere and hyper-focusing on the US.

Who said "only in Merca"? You really are a strawmanner of biblical proportions.

Suddenly, the thread turns into an argument that in the US our culture or a significant portion of it is "sick" and demented, and racist, homophobic, etc., and that the proper countries are not that way. I showed that they are.

No you didn't. You erected an army of strawmen.

You spouted off your nonsense about how teaching creationism is something that is prevalent in the US, and yet -- it's unconstitutional based on a still good law Supreme Court Opinion three decades ago that teaching Creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, and that was reaffirmed a few years ago when Intelligent Design was likewise struck down in the Dover case.

Strawman.

What made that kind of funny was your bogus assertion that Australians don't teach Creationism in schools, and yet it took two seconds to source out the fact that Australia DOES allow the teaching of Creationism in public schools.

Strawman. You seriously are mental.

And, you said that you don't have significant Creationist population in Oz, and yet one of the most famous Creationists out there, Ken Ham is from Australia

One person. Oh, and don't forget the Kiwi.

and the biggest Creationist research center, Answers in Genesis is also Australian

No it's not. It only exists in the US now.

and you have other groups organized to advance creationism in your country.

"A Gallup poll reported that the percentage of people in the U.S. who believe in a strict interpretation of creationism had fallen to 40% in 2010..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States
I await with baited breath your stats that say that Australia has anywhere near 40% who believe in strict creationism.

That should, at least, demonstrate that you have some thinking to do, and perhaps you should reserve some of your sneering until you actually learn something.

Seriously, you're a fucking idiot. This is why I don't waste my time debating you. You've got a fucking bald eagle shoved so far up your arse, you can't think straight. Good luck.

[Coito ergo sum]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

It's not butthurt over "criticism of Merca" -- it's the incessant deprecation of Merca in an unjustifiable sense -- the constant "only in Merka" refrain -- the suggestion, incessantly, that "it would never happen here" -- the neverending discussions about how the US is not civilized or a proper country, whereas supposedly the Yerpeeins, Ozzies, etc., are. It's the overarching unjustified expressions of superiority that seem to endlessly spew forth.

i.e. Butthurt.

Here we have a great example -- "Merca" - some podunk dope in the middle of nowhere makes a weird video -- the guy is an elected police chief in a town of a maximum of 500-odd voters. He's a bit looney. So, "only in Merca" could this happen -- in proper countries, that would never happen. I showed, that, of course, strange and even murderous police do, in fact, get hired in other "proper" countries, so the assertion of "only in Merca" is bollocks -- it's just ignoring what goes on elsewhere and hyper-focusing on the US.

Who said "only in Merca"? You really are a strawmanner of biblical proportions.

many folks -- mistermack and Rum are two examples on this thread. You too, I believe, said it couldn't happen in Australia.

Suddenly, the thread turns into an argument that in the US our culture or a significant portion of it is "sick" and demented, and racist, homophobic, etc., and that the proper countries are not that way. I showed that they are.

No you didn't. You erected an army of strawmen.

Nonsense. I responded to specific posts by specific people.

You spouted off your nonsense about how teaching creationism is something that is prevalent in the US, and yet -- it's unconstitutional based on a still good law Supreme Court Opinion three decades ago that teaching Creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, and that was reaffirmed a few years ago when Intelligent Design was likewise struck down in the Dover case.

Strawman.

Dude - you said that in Merca we teach Creationism in public schools. That's not a strawman. You wrote it. You also said that they did not do so in Australia, when they do. That's not a strawman. You wrote it.

What made that kind of funny was your bogus assertion that Australians don't teach Creationism in schools, and yet it took two seconds to source out the fact that Australia DOES allow the teaching of Creationism in public schools.

Strawman. You seriously are mental.

Aren't you the one on the dole because of your mental problems, or is that someone else?

And, you said that you don't have significant Creationist population in Oz, and yet one of the most famous Creationists out there, Ken Ham is from Australia

One person. Oh, and don't forget the Kiwi.

Not one person, he's one prominent leader. You have organizations of Creationists with memberships, including the largest and most prominent Creationist organization, Answers in Genesis. And, I named another. You have plenty of Creationists in Australia. You just like to pretend they don't exist, and are creatures exclusive to the US.

and the biggest Creationist research center, Answers in Genesis is also Australian

No it's not. It only exists in the US now.

That's because the US and UK wings broke away and retained the website -- and the Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, and South African branches rebranded themselves as Creation Ministries International (CMI). http://creation.com/

and you have other groups organized to advance creationism in your country.

"A Gallup poll reported that the percentage of people in the U.S. who believe in a strict interpretation of creationism had fallen to 40% in 2010..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States
I await with baited breath your stats that say that Australia has anywhere near 40% who believe in strict creationism.

That's called moving the goalposts. Now you want the argument to be about which country has a higher population of creationists, whereas before you said that your country did not have them.

But here goes -- A 2009 poll showed that almost a quarter of Australians believe "the biblical account of human origins" over the Darwinian account. 42 percent of Australians believe in a "wholly scientific" explanation for the origins of life, while 32 percent believe in an evolutionary process "guided by God".

MOST Australians believe in God or a similar universal spirit, but a majority also believe in miracles, heaven, life after death and angels.
The surprising findings from an Age Nielsen poll show Australia is a credulous nation, willing to mix and match religious faith with belief in other phenomena.
Although we are widely considered a secular and largely atheistic people, nearly half the population believes in psychic powers such as extrasensory perception and 41 per cent believe in astrology.

Australians are more religious than we might have thought - 68 per cent of us believe in God or a universal spirit, and 50 per cent say religion is important or very important in their lives.

Australians also place their faith in a range of other phenomena. For example, 63 per cent believe in miracles, and 53 per cent believe in life after death. Angels are also popular, with 51 per cent of respondents saying they believe in them, slightly more than the 49 per cent who hold faith in psychic powers like ESP.

Nearly a quarter of us believe the biblical account of human origins over the Darwinian account.

Yep, no Creationists in Australia....

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/god-i ... z2aAMCkhLK

That should, at least, demonstrate that you have some thinking to do, and perhaps you should reserve some of your sneering until you actually learn something.

Seriously, you're a fucking idiot. This is why I don't waste my time debating you. You've got a fucking bald eagle shoved so far up your arse, you can't think straight. Good luck.

You're simply wrong on almost every point, Rev. You're wrong about the level of Creationism in your own country. You have such rose-colored glasses view of Australia that it's laughable. I notice you've still glossed over your bollocks statements about Creationism in US vs Australian schools. Care to address that now? And, 25% of "Biblical Account" believers is not a small number. But, you always devolve into namecalling. You get proven wrong, and then call me an idiot.

Game set match.

[pErvinalia]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

It's not butthurt over "criticism of Merca" -- it's the incessant deprecation of Merca in an unjustifiable sense -- the constant "only in Merka" refrain -- the suggestion, incessantly, that "it would never happen here" -- the neverending discussions about how the US is not civilized or a proper country, whereas supposedly the Yerpeeins, Ozzies, etc., are. It's the overarching unjustified expressions of superiority that seem to endlessly spew forth.

i.e. Butthurt.

Here we have a great example -- "Merca" - some podunk dope in the middle of nowhere makes a weird video -- the guy is an elected police chief in a town of a maximum of 500-odd voters. He's a bit looney. So, "only in Merca" could this happen -- in proper countries, that would never happen. I showed, that, of course, strange and even murderous police do, in fact, get hired in other "proper" countries, so the assertion of "only in Merca" is bollocks -- it's just ignoring what goes on elsewhere and hyper-focusing on the US.

Who said "only in Merca"? You really are a strawmanner of biblical proportions.

many folks -- mistermack and Rum are two examples on this thread. You too, I believe, said it couldn't happen in Australia.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself any more. Do you really need to be told how "only in Merca" =/= "not in Australia"???

And furthermore, if you want to address something mistermack and Rum have said, then why the fuck are you quoting and responding to me with it?!?

Suddenly, the thread turns into an argument that in the US our culture or a significant portion of it is "sick" and demented, and racist, homophobic, etc., and that the proper countries are not that way. I showed that they are.

No you didn't. You erected an army of strawmen.

Nonsense. I responded to specific posts by specific people.

By erecting strawmen. You did this in another thread with me, and another thread with someone else straight after that. Both times you got called on it, and shown how you strawmanned, and you refused to admit you did it. I'm not going through that again. Go and reread what I specifically wrote and what you responded with. If you can't see how you strawmanned me, then you are lost.

You spouted off your nonsense about how teaching creationism is something that is prevalent in the US, and yet -- it's unconstitutional based on a still good law Supreme Court Opinion three decades ago that teaching Creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, and that was reaffirmed a few years ago when Intelligent Design was likewise struck down in the Dover case.

Strawman.

Dude - you said that in Merca we teach Creationism in public schools.

BULLSHIT. You are a fucking joke. Quote where i said that.

That's not a strawman. You wrote it.

Absolute bullshit.

You also said that they did not do so in Australia, when they do.

Bullshit. I said they don't teach it in the science curriculum. What the fuck is wrong at your end of internet?!?

That's not a strawman. You wrote it.

I know exactly what I wrote, and you would too if you could fucking read.

What made that kind of funny was your bogus assertion that Australians don't teach Creationism in schools, and yet it took two seconds to source out the fact that Australia DOES allow the teaching of Creationism in public schools.

Strawman. You seriously are mental.

Aren't you the one on the dole because of your mental problems, or is that someone else?

You really are pathetic. You fuck up your argument and then you try and shift the focus to a health problem. What a fucking douche you are. And know this - this person with a mental problem intellectually shits all over you. If I was you, I wouldn't bring up the claim that your interlocutor who is pointing out all your grade 1 reading errors is somehow mentally retarded. If I'm mentally retarded, you are a fucking malformed brussel sprout.

And, you said that you don't have significant Creationist population in Oz, and yet one of the most famous Creationists out there, Ken Ham is from Australia

One person. Oh, and don't forget the Kiwi.

Not one person, he's one prominent leader.

Why the fuck did you mention a Kiwi?!? Are you even aware we are two different countries?

You have organizations of Creationists with memberships, including the largest and most prominent Creationist organization, Answers in Genesis.

I've just told you, it only exists in the US now. Quote me the figures that show Australia has a significant proportion of creationists.

And, I named another. You have plenty of Creationists in Australia. You just like to pretend they don't exist, and are creatures exclusive to the US.

Strawman.

and you have other groups organized to advance creationism in your country.

"A Gallup poll reported that the percentage of people in the U.S. who believe in a strict interpretation of creationism had fallen to 40% in 2010..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States
I await with baited breath your stats that say that Australia has anywhere near 40% who believe in strict creationism.

That's called moving the goalposts. Now you want the argument to be about which country has a higher population of creationists, whereas before you said that your country did not have them.

You are a fucking retard. I said a "segment". In no universe except the Coit-literalist-butthurt-universe can you interpret my rhetorical flourish to mean literally that Australia doesn't have creationists. The whole fucking point of this little tantrum derail by you is that you think the US isn't unique in regards to the proportions of nutters in your country. As I've been arguing, and as the facts show, it is fairly unique. I also note you had absolutely nothing to say about segments of the population wanting to overthrow the government and mass hording of guns and ammo, and creation of nutbag militias. Inconvenient fact?

But here goes -- A 2009 poll showed that almost a quarter of Australians believe "the biblical account of human origins" over the Darwinian account.

So 25% vs 40%. Ok. Thanks for proving my point. Further, most of those 25% in Australia don't try and ram their views down other's and society's throats. I.e. we aren't an evagelical nation. The US is FAR more evangelical that Australia and the rest of secular world.

42 percent of Australians believe in a "wholly scientific" explanation for the origins of life, while 32 percent believe in an evolutionary process "guided by God".

MOST Australians believe in God or a similar universal spirit, but a majority also believe in miracles, heaven, life after death and angels.
The surprising findings from an Age Nielsen poll show Australia is a credulous nation, willing to mix and match religious faith with belief in other phenomena.
Although we are widely considered a secular and largely atheistic people, nearly half the population believes in psychic powers such as extrasensory perception and 41 per cent believe in astrology.

Australians are more religious than we might have thought - 68 per cent of us believe in God or a universal spirit, and 50 per cent say religion is important or very important in their lives.

Australians also place their faith in a range of other phenomena. For example, 63 per cent believe in miracles, and 53 per cent believe in life after death. Angels are also popular, with 51 per cent of respondents saying they believe in them, slightly more than the 49 per cent who hold faith in psychic powers like ESP.

Nearly a quarter of us believe the biblical account of human origins over the Darwinian account.

Yep, no Creationists in Australia....

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/god-i ... z2aAMCkhLK

Awesome. I look forward to comparison stats with the US. According to you, they should be the same.

Oh, and another strawman in there.

Actually, found this with the first google hit:
"More Americans believe in a literal hell and the devil than Darwin's theory of evolution, according to a new Harris poll released on Thursday.

It is the latest survey to highlight America's deep level of religiosity, a cultural trait that sets it apart from much of the developed world.

It also helps explain many of its political battles which Europeans find bewildering, such as efforts to have "Intelligent Design" theory -- which holds life is too complex to have evolved by chance -- taught in schools alongside evolution.

The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the question was asked in 2005.

It further found that 79 percent believed in miracles, 75 percent in heaven, while 72 percent believed that Jesus is God or the Son of God. Belief in hell and the devil was expressed by 62 percent.

Darwin's theory of evolution met a far more skeptical audience which might surprise some outsiders as the United States is renowned for its excellence in scientific research.

Only 42 percent of those surveyed said they believed in Darwin's theory which largely informs how biology and related sciences are approached. While often referred to as evolution it is in fact the 19th century British intellectual's theory of "natural selection."

There are unsurprising differences among religious groups.

"Born-again Christians are more likely to believe in the traditional elements of Christianity than are Catholics or Protestants. For example, 95 percent believe in miracles, compared to 87 percent and 89 percent among Catholics and Protestants," according to the poll.

"On the other hand only 16 percent of born-again Christians, compared to 43 percent of Catholics and 30 percent of Protestants, believe in Darwin's theory of evolution."

What is perhaps surprising is that substantial minorities in America apparently believe in ghosts, UFOs, witches, astrology and reincarnation.

The survey, which has a sampling error of plus or minus two percent, found that 35 percent of the respondents believed in UFOs and 31 percent in witches.

More born-again Christians -- a term which usually refers to evangelical Protestants who place great emphasis on the conversion experience -- believed in witches at 37 percent than mainline Protestants or Catholics, both at 32 percent."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/ ... 5820071129

That should, at least, demonstrate that you have some thinking to do, and perhaps you should reserve some of your sneering until you actually learn something.

Seriously, you're a fucking idiot. This is why I don't waste my time debating you. You've got a fucking bald eagle shoved so far up your arse, you can't think straight. Good luck.

You're simply wrong on almost every point, Rev.

No, i'm not. You simply can't read properly, as your bias is clouding your vision.

You're wrong about the level of Creationism in your own country. You have such rose-colored glasses view of Australia that it's laughable. I notice you've still glossed over your bollocks statements about Creationism in US vs Australian schools. Care to address that now?

I've already addressed it. You erected a strawman. You apparently can't read properly.

And, 25% of "Biblical Account" believers is not a small number.

I agree. But it's irrelevant to the crux of your immature little derail.

But, you always devolve into namecalling. You get proven wrong, and then call me an idiot.

No, I and other point out how you are strawmanning, and then you claim you weren't. What else are we to think?

Game set match.

[pErvinalia]

Why the fuck do I let myself get in arguments with you at 2.30am in the morning? Didn't I make it clear I didn't want to get involved in your juvenile butthurt? Just fucking get over it and move on. Christ.

[Coito ergo sum]

He's saying that Coit's butthurt about criticism of Merca is annoying to him. He can't spoiler Coits stuff.

It's not butthurt over "criticism of Merca" -- it's the incessant deprecation of Merca in an unjustifiable sense -- the constant "only in Merka" refrain -- the suggestion, incessantly, that "it would never happen here" -- the neverending discussions about how the US is not civilized or a proper country, whereas supposedly the Yerpeeins, Ozzies, etc., are. It's the overarching unjustified expressions of superiority that seem to endlessly spew forth.

i.e. Butthurt.

Here we have a great example -- "Merca" - some podunk dope in the middle of nowhere makes a weird video -- the guy is an elected police chief in a town of a maximum of 500-odd voters. He's a bit looney. So, "only in Merca" could this happen -- in proper countries, that would never happen. I showed, that, of course, strange and even murderous police do, in fact, get hired in other "proper" countries, so the assertion of "only in Merca" is bollocks -- it's just ignoring what goes on elsewhere and hyper-focusing on the US.

Who said "only in Merca"? You really are a strawmanner of biblical proportions.

many folks -- mistermack and Rum are two examples on this thread. You too, I believe, said it couldn't happen in Australia.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself any more. Do you really need to be told how "only in Merca" =/= "not in Australia"???

And furthermore, if you want to address something mistermack and Rum have said, then why the fuck are you quoting and responding to me with it?!?

You asked, dipshit. You asked. specifically, "who said only in Merca?" I answered your questions. See bolded item above.

And, I never said you said only in Merca -- I said you said it would not happen in Australia, which is an example of the same type of nonsense, suggesting superiority.

Suddenly, the thread turns into an argument that in the US our culture or a significant portion of it is "sick" and demented, and racist, homophobic, etc., and that the proper countries are not that way. I showed that they are.

No you didn't. You erected an army of strawmen.

Nonsense. I responded to specific posts by specific people.

By erecting strawmen. You did this in another thread with me, and another thread with someone else straight after that. Both times you got called on it, and shown how you strawmanned, and you refused to admit you did it. I'm not going through that again. Go and reread what I specifically wrote and what you responded with. If you can't see how you strawmanned me, then you are lost.

A strawman is when I present an argument that wasn't made and knock it down. I am responding to exactly what people said. I'm not strawmanning. You just don't want to admit when you've been shown to be wrong, which is why you ignore the posts above about Creationnism and such.

You spouted off your nonsense about how teaching creationism is something that is prevalent in the US, and yet -- it's unconstitutional based on a still good law Supreme Court Opinion three decades ago that teaching Creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, and that was reaffirmed a few years ago when Intelligent Design was likewise struck down in the Dover case.

Strawman.

Dude - you said that in Merca we teach Creationism in public schools.

BULLSHIT. You are a fucking joke. Quote where i said that.

We don't have a segment of our society that believes the earth is only 6000 yrs old. We don't allow the teaching of creationism/ID in our schools science curriculum. etc.. etc... etc...

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1474656 - you were clearly implying in that post that America DOES allow the teaching of creationism/ID in schools, otherwise your mentioning of it makes no sense whatsoever. However, at a bare minimum, you are flat out wrong about the fact that Australia does not allow the teaching Creationism/ID in public schools. So even if you will disingenuously deny suggesting that in the US we teach Creationism/ID in public schools whereas Australia does not, you're still wrong on the express point you made.

That's not a strawman. You wrote it.

Absolute bullshit.

...as if you were not referring to the US as teaching creationism in public school. Don't even try to skate out of it.

You also said that they did not do so in Australia, when they do.

Bullshit. I said they don't teach it in the science curriculum. What the fuck is wrong at your end of internet?!?

LOL -- we in the US don't teach it in schools AT ALL. You are mincing words. They do teach it in public schools there. They don't in the US.

What made that kind of funny was your bogus assertion that Australians don't teach Creationism in schools, and yet it took two seconds to source out the fact that Australia DOES allow the teaching of Creationism in public schools.

Strawman. You seriously are mental.

Aren't you the one on the dole because of your mental problems, or is that someone else?

You really are pathetic. You fuck up your argument and then you try and shift the focus to a health problem. What a fucking douche you are. And know this - this person with a mental problem intellectually shits all over you. If I was you, I wouldn't bring up the claim that your interlocutor who is pointing out all your grade 1 reading errors is somehow mentally retarded. If I'm mentally retarded, you are a fucking malformed brussel sprout.

You accuse me of being "mental" and then you object to my comment in response? And, then you launch into more namecalling. You grossly overestimate your intellectual prowess. You know what you were saying, and I quoted you above and linked to your post. I didn't call you mentally retarded, but you are on the dole. If that bothers you, get a job.

And, you said that you don't have significant Creationist population in Oz, and yet one of the most famous Creationists out there, Ken Ham is from Australia

One person. Oh, and don't forget the Kiwi.

Not one person, he's one prominent leader.

Why the fuck did you mention a Kiwi?!? Are you even aware we are two different countries?

I didn't just mention a Kiwi, I also mentioned a Kiwi.

Of course I'm aware they are two different countries. You keep deflecting. I mentioned a prominent Australian, together with prominent Aussie groups/organizations that re involved, and I've cited statistics referring to signifcant population of Oz that are Biblical Creationists. You can ignore it all you want to referring to the Kiwi I mentioned (and I did specify he was a New Zealander, i did not say he was Australian), but it doesn't change the fact that you're just flat out wrong.

You have organizations of Creationists with memberships, including the largest and most prominent Creationist organization, Answers in Genesis.

I've just told you, it only exists in the US now. Quote me the figures that show Australia has a significant proportion of creationists.

I did. Apparently 25%. And, the Ozzie branch of Answers in Genesis broke off and changed its name, and I gave you that information.

And, I named another. You have plenty of Creationists in Australia. You just like to pretend they don't exist, and are creatures exclusive to the US.

Strawman.

Just responding to what you wrote. Do you now agree that there are significant numbers of Creationists in Oz?

and you have other groups organized to advance creationism in your country.

"A Gallup poll reported that the percentage of people in the U.S. who believe in a strict interpretation of creationism had fallen to 40% in 2010..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#United_States
I await with baited breath your stats that say that Australia has anywhere near 40% who believe in strict creationism.

That's called moving the goalposts. Now you want the argument to be about which country has a higher population of creationists, whereas before you said that your country did not have them.

You are a fucking retard. I said a "segment".

You DO have a "segment" of your society that believes in Biblical Creationism, and it's not small. I gave you the citation. Always with the fucking insults with you. Go fuck off. Thank your neighbor for the beer your drinking this weekend. I'm sure he's glad to have purchased it for you, layabout.

In no universe except the Coit-literalist-butthurt-universe can you interpret my rhetorical flourish to mean literally that Australia doesn't have creationists. The whole fucking point of this little tantrum derail by you is that you think the US isn't unique in regards to the proportions of nutters in your country. As I've been arguing, and as the facts show, it is fairly unique. I also note you had absolutely nothing to say about segments of the population wanting to overthrow the government and mass hording of guns and ammo, and creation of nutbag militias. Inconvenient fact?

Your argument failed, and I have shown it to be an empty suit.

But here goes -- A 2009 poll showed that almost a quarter of Australians believe "the biblical account of human origins" over the Darwinian account.

So 25% vs 40%. Ok. Thanks for proving my point.

It doesn't prove your point. You said Oz did not have "segment" of society that believed in Creationism. So, unless you define 25% as not being a "segment" then you're just plain wrong. And, these numbers fluctuate, so sure, the US may have, according to the Gallup poll, more creationists than Oz, you certainly have nothing to fucking brag about - and quite simply, your assertion was wrong. Admit it.

Further, most of those 25% in Australia don't try and ram their views down other's and society's throats.

Most of them here don't either, but in Oz they successfully rammed through Creationism into the public school curriculum. Congratulations.

I.e. we aren't an evagelical nation. The US is FAR more evangelical that Australia and the rest of secular world.

evangelicals make up a tiny percentage of the US Christian population. Most Americans are mainline Protestants like Episcopalians (Anglican), Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and such. Evangelicals are vocal, but they are a small group.

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mass hording of guns and ammo

What's your definition of "mass hording of guns and ammo?"