State v Zimmerman

[Tero]

Yeah, black people watch Fox all the time. Sometimes us libruls get to straighten them out and turn them to NPR.

It might be cause Fox shows sitcoms etc are better if you dont pay for cable. Than NBC etc.

[Warren Dew]

Yeah, black people watch Fox all the time. Sometimes us libruls get to straighten them out and turn them to NPR.

It might be cause Fox shows sitcoms etc are better if you dont pay for cable. Than NBC etc.

Wow, that's pretty racist.

What I find amusing is that (a) it was the prosecution that struck this potential black juror, and (b) more importantly, the concept of striking a juror based on what television channel he watches, irrespective of race.

If you're going to strike people for television preferences, you'd do better striking everyone who watches television at all.

[mistermack]

The fact that the court tolerated an all-white, all woman jury indicates that, not only were the prosecution not trying, but the judge was in on it.
Two men fighting, one white man shoots a black kid. What better jury, than six Florida women, none of whom were black.
Wikipedia said this about striking jurors :

The state attempted to strike one woman whose husband owns guns, and who said she may have difficulty sending someone to prison. They also attempted to strike a woman who asked why Martin was out at night. The judge denied the strikes and both women were part of the six person jury.[86]

If that's how you ensure a fair trial, it's hardly surprising that you get so many loony verdicts.
That alone would be grounds for appeal, in a proper country.

[Coito ergo sum]

I don't think handing over his wallet would have helped either Zimmerman or Martin. The main thing that would have helped is if Martin had refrained from attacking Zimmerman.

The stupidity of that post is breathtaking.
The only evidence for Martin attacking Zimmerman is that Zimmerman, ( the man who killed an unarmed kid ) said so.

You are wrong. Witnesses corroborated Zimmerman's account. Such as witness Mr. Good who testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him mixed-martial arts style in a "ground and pound" move. The medical reports are consistent with the idea that Zimmerman was punched in the nose, knocking him down and allowing Martin to get the better of him. http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 7REnesV0Zl The evidence from Martin's cell phone show that he was a fighter, involved in petty crimes, and had beaten someone else up (only Martin complained that the person he beat had not bee "bloodied" enough). http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/26/justice/f ... an-defense

And, Rachel Jeantel said (she was the woman on a cell phone call at the time with Martin) that Martin punched first -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/1 ... 10921.html

Is that all you require to convince you?

No, Zimmerman's word would not be enough to convince me that he is innocent; however, the prosecutor's word is not enough for me to be convinced that he is guilty. The standard of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Is there reasonable doubt? Every legal expert of every persuasion that I've heard has said there was reasonable doubt. Anyone who closely followed the trial has said there was reasonable doubt, at least everyone that I have heard opine. And, the jurors unanimously found reasonable doubt after hearing all the evidence. The Sheriff at the time of the incident, the investigators, most of the police, pretty much everyone until Al Sharpton got involved was of the view that there was reasonable doubt. To get the case started, they needed an order from the governor to appoint a special prosecutor who was directed to find a way to convict the guy, and they had to bypass the grand jury and file a sketchy, falsehood laden affidavit to secure a probable cause determination from the judge. They had to try the case by witholding evidence, playing fast and loose with the facts and asking the jury to judge the case based on emotion, passion, prejudice and by "looking to their hearts."

If you'd support a conviction in a case like this, then I guess that shit is good enough for you. Nothing else to say, but you always side with the State anyway, so I guess it is no surprise.

And people have a go at me, for saying how stupid Americans are.

You are in no position to call anyone stupid, especially given the gross ignorance you have of this case. Quite simply, you haven't followed this case closely, and you don't know what you're talking about.

With moronic posts like that, I consider my case proved. Thanks very much.

Are you high?

[Coito ergo sum]

Yeah, black people watch Fox all the time. Sometimes us libruls get to straighten them out and turn them to NPR.

It might be cause Fox shows sitcoms etc are better if you dont pay for cable. Than NBC etc.

Which liberal views do you hold again? Rights of the accused? You're big on "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" and other rights of the accused in criminal cases, are you?

You're liberal on gun ownership?

What other issues are you "liberal" on?

[Coito ergo sum]

The fact that the court tolerated an all-white, all woman jury indicates that, not only were the prosecution not trying, but the judge was in on it.

You're mad. This prosecution was created for the purpose of hanging Zimmerman, and of course they were trying. They picked the most aggressive prosecutor in the State, with the reputation for being as hard-nosed as they get. She also acted unethically and played dirty to get a conviction, such as by withholding evidence from the defense, excluding exculpatory evidence from the probable cause affidavit, and making false statements in the probable cause affidavit.

Two men fighting, one white man shoots a black kid. What better jury, than six Florida women, none of whom were black.
Wikipedia said this about striking jurors :

The state attempted to strike one woman whose husband owns guns, and who said she may have difficulty sending someone to prison. They also attempted to strike a woman who asked why Martin was out at night. The judge denied the strikes and both women were part of the six person jury.[86]

If that's how you ensure a fair trial, it's hardly surprising that you get so many loony verdicts.
That alone would be grounds for appeal, in a proper country.

We don't get "so many" looney verdicts. We get looney verdicts from time to time, as occur in any legal system. Better to have some looney verdicts of acquittal than to have a system that errs on the side of conviction.

The prosecution does not have an appeal of a jury acquittal, and no proper country would allow one. Take a lesson.

The fact that you'd be so ignorant of the law and the facts in this case, but make such bogus and insulting statements demonstrates your own deficiencies. You are an embarrassment to your country, that's for sure.

[Gallstones]

A Few Questions [survey] for those Upset by the Zimmerman Verdict

[Tero]

Black kid just about to turn 18 does stuff that most black kids are exposed. He buys cough syrup to get high on. He thinks he is a tough guy.

So fucking what? Yes he could have gone his current route and been dead at 21. Many black boys are. So fucking what?

The evidence in the court is from the night of the killing. You either believe Zimmerman or not. But he followed a guy acting weird and was not trained for that. I don't pity Zimmerman at all for messing up his own life. He knew where his place was. Inside his truck.

[Seth]

Black kid just about to turn 18 does stuff that most black kids are exposed. He buys cough syrup to get high on. He thinks he is a tough guy.

So fucking what? Yes he could have gone his current route and been dead at 21. Many black boys are. So fucking what?

The evidence in the court is from the night of the killing. You either believe Zimmerman or not. But he followed a guy acting weird and was not trained for that. I don't pity Zimmerman at all for messing up his own life. He knew where his place was. Inside his truck.

Oh, I don't know, he appears to be adequately trained to me. After all, he's alive and his attacker is not. That's proof positive of proper training. And how much training does it take to walk along behind someone acting suspicious anyway?

[pErvinalia]

By "acting suspicious" you mean "being black"?

[Coito ergo sum]

By "acting suspicious" you mean "being black"?

That may be what you mean by it, but there is no evidence that Zimmerman meant that. In fact, quite the opposite.

[Seth]

By "acting suspicious" you mean "being black"?

No, I mean acting suspiciously. Turns out Zimmerman was right, Martin was up to no good and tried to kill him...but did not succeed because Zimmerman was properly trained and equipped to react to a sudden violent attack.

[Tyrannical]

When can we finally admit that the KKK knew best all along?

[Kristie]

When can we finally admit that the KKK knew best all along?

Um, never!

[Tero]

Law that allowed Z to shoot Martin now no longer Florida law:

Miami Judge: New Stand-Your-Ground Law Is Unconstitutional
The 2012 killing in Florida of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman opened a debate about the limits of self-defense, and it hasn't let up since. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder after jurors received instructions on Florida's "stand your ground" law.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mia ... al-n779436