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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:16 pm

I like your new avatar, Audley. If that's that story I think it is, :awesome:
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Audley Strange » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:17 pm

Temar Boggs, yeah. That boy is fucking awesome eh?

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I think he deserves an Avatar. His actions not only put an actual smile on my face today, but I think his friends and his actions provide interesting juxtaposition with the Zimmerman case.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:26 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Temar Boggs, yeah. That boy is fucking awesome eh?

Edited to add.

I think he deserves an Avatar. His actions not only put an actual smile on my face today, but I think his friends and his actions provide interesting juxtaposition with the Zimmerman case.
Absolutely! A much needed one! :cheer:
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:29 pm

Hey, justice has been swerved. Time to move on.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:45 pm

mistermack wrote:The general attitude seems to be that an incident is self-defence, unless proved otherwise.
But there's an awful lot of hypocrisy involved in that.
Well, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to negate self defense, but the defense can't claim self-defense without some evidence existing from which it could be concluded that self-defense occurred.
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If Zimmerman had died, of a broken skull, Martin would most definitely been immediately charged. Even if he said, like Zimmerman, that he had been attacked. There would most definitely NOT have been a presumption that his story was true.
There was no "presumption" that Zimmerman's story was true. The forensic evidence and witness testimony was sufficient to support a good (not just reasonable, but good) claim of self-defense. Law enforcement assesses that evidence and determines if there is probable cause to try him on a particular crime. If there is good evidence for self-defense, the prosecutors will not prosecute because they know it is not a good case for them.
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Equally, if someone killed a cop, and claimed that they feared for their life, it wouldn't be a case of proving it.
The person who did it would find that it was them who had to prove their case.
No. The prosecution always has the burden of proof. However, if the defendant can advance evidence that supports their own position, all the better.
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I think it's ridiculous to presume self-defence, just because someone claims it.
That would be ridiculous. Of course, that did not happen in the Zimmerman case.
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That's pushing innocent till proven guilty past the point of reasonableness. If you claim that you feared for your life, it should be for you to prove that to a jury. Otherwise, it's a general licence to kill anybody. The dead should have an equal right to a presumption of innocence.
Where is the logic in presuming that the dead party is the guilty one?
The law of self-defense has been this way for many hundreds of years, and the burden has been on the prosecution for many hundreds of years in Anglo-American jurisprudence. This is not new and it is not unique to Merkin law. If it is a general license to kill someone, then it we've had that license for hundreds of years.

Nobody presumes the dead party is the guilty one. The accused is not guilty until the prosecution proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty. You law and order conservatives may want to change that, but it's not going anywhere, thankfully.

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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Where's the slug? If Zimm had been on top, it would have to be in the cement sidewalk underneath. If he was underneath, it probably couldn't be found, having travelled through Martin's body and into the air. 9mm is a penetrating round, unless you have something like a hollow-point. That angle should be pursued, I think.
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:58 pm

The riots being fomented by the All Sharpton brigade are beginning to take hold...

"This is for Travyon" shouts as a hispanic man (query -- white hispanic?) beaten by a mob -- http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... 5359.story

Jogger attacked in retaliation for Zimmerman verdict -- http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22850763/j ... z2Z8TvGzrd

Zimmerman's parents receiving death threats, gone into hiding. His parents. http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmermans-par ... eVP240U_Sg

Protestors blocking 14th street and Broadway, refuse to let cars past -- terrorize drivers.

Sharpton planning protests in 100 cities - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... 100-Cities

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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by laklak » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:05 pm

I'm locked and loaded, assault weapon, 12 gauge, 2 pistols, bolt action cavalry carbine, couple of machetes, baseball bat, pepper spray and two big dogs. Got a couple of bags of quicklime and a new shovel. Come at me, Bro!
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by FBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:07 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Second shooter :coffee:
Case solved!!! :cheer:
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:07 pm

I'm moving to Lak's place when the zombie apocalypse begins! :awesome:
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Re: State v Zimmerman

Post by laklak » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:09 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:I'm moving to Lak's place when the zombie apocalypse begins! :awesome:

We'll be in the bunker. Knock twice, then thrice. Password is "WOULD YOU FUCKING LET ME IN GODDAMNIT THEY'RE CHEWING MY FUCKING LEG OFF!"
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: State v Zimmerman

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rEvolutionist wrote:I'm moving to Lak's place when the zombie apocalypse begins! :awesome:
I'll arm wrestle you for a corner of his basement!
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:11 pm

laklak wrote:I'm locked and loaded, assault weapon, 12 gauge, 2 pistols, bolt action cavalry carbine, couple of machetes, baseball bat, pepper spray and two big dogs. Got a couple of bags of quicklime and a new shovel. Come at me, Bro!
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I definitely need to git meself that shotgun I was thinking about. I don't really want a handgun. A shotgun would be good for me.

But, really, don't you feel safe enough that the police are only a phone call away?

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:11 pm

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