They are 'shutting' Pirate Bay. Good or Bad?

[Rum]

Their profits are way done because (as someone said above) they didn't keep up. If they had looked at the Spotify and other models earlier they wouldn't be grumbling and taking it out on consumers.

On the plus side - there seems to be a lot more live music out there these days. They've got to tour to make the money they used to on record sales which can't be bad.

[laklak]

Reports of the death of the music industry are greatly exaggerated. I've seen more new artists popping up in the last decade than any time before, precisely because of the easy availability of downloads. Maybe the days of massively rich supergroups are over, but no great loss there IMO. Artists that embrace a new business model will succeed, those that do not will not.

[Seth]

Out of 100 freeloaders, how many do you think would actually buy the stuff they download if they had to choose between buying and doing without?

Why should they be allowed to freeload? If they aren't interested in buying the product, why should they be allowed to STEAL it instead. "Free" downloads are absolutely no different from walking into a store at the mall and shoving an item down your pants and walking out.

It's theft, pure and simple, and I'm GLAD that when they nail some fucker for stealing thousands of songs or games that they hammer them for tens of thousands of dollars for EACH ONE they steal. They should be handcuffing them and throwing them in prison, just like they do other thieves.

[Seth]

Let's say I download a computer game. If I like it, I'm going to buy it. I get to try it out, but if it sucks, I didn't waste my money on it.

It's capitalism at its finest. A company who produces a quality product makes money and continues to make more quality products. The company who makes a shitty product, doesn't get any of my money and doesn't succeed to make more money and products.

I make excuses like this all the time, and I bet a whole lot of other people make them too. Whether the final reality reflects this is questionable. I don't download very much (and certainly not software products, and only very rarely movies; I mostly download tv shows and music), but even then, I still try and convince myself I will eventually buy it or some other convenient narrative.

In other words, you're a thief.

[Seth]

I think they've bent the copyright laws to their limit in order to crack down on on the Pirate Bay. They don't provide downloads to copyrighted material, nor direct links to copyrighted material.

They are conspirators in the trafficking of stolen property. No different from the corrupt pawn shop owner who buys stolen goods and then sells them.

[Seth]

I think they've bent the copyright laws to their limit in order to crack down on on the Pirate Bay. They don't provide downloads to copyrighted material, nor direct links to copyrighted material.

Its pointless anyway except symbolically. People who really want to share or get free copyright stuff obviously don't need the Pirate Bay.

Oxymoron. There is no such thing as "free copyright stuff." The whole point of copyright is to assert ownership of the IP just like the title to your car proves it belongs to you. Presumably you wouldn't mind if I came by and took your car because I feel like I need it more than you do, right?

What such people "need" is long prison sentences and financially devastating fines.

[Seth]

Yup a disk drive a shit computer, a usb flash drive and some friends and ye'll be hoistin' for the Spanish Main by sundown. ARRR!

If people are offered free stuff more conveniently and quicker than it is to purchase legitimately, they will go for free. The problem is that the Distribution pricks of Media thought themselves invulnerable, were caught on the hop and rather than come up with a modern solution, were so blase that they didn't worry about it until one day BAM! profit margin failure and panicky demands for reaction from Government sources.

Fuck them. They had it coming.

And so do you, and Pirate Bay. It's their product. It doesn't belong to you. They get to charge whatever they like and you get to decide if it's worth buying.

But you don't get to steal it just because you think the record companies make too much money.

This mindset is one of the great evils of Socialism, which panders to the notion that anybody ought to have whatever they want, even if it's at someone else's expense.

Fucking Marxist assholes.

People who steal need to go to jail, it's just that simple.

[Audley Strange]

Yup a disk drive a shit computer, a usb flash drive and some friends and ye'll be hoistin' for the Spanish Main by sundown. ARRR!

If people are offered free stuff more conveniently and quicker than it is to purchase legitimately, they will go for free. The problem is that the Distribution pricks of Media thought themselves invulnerable, were caught on the hop and rather than come up with a modern solution, were so blase that they didn't worry about it until one day BAM! profit margin failure and panicky demands for reaction from Government sources.

Fuck them. They had it coming.

And so do you, and Pirate Bay. It's their product. It doesn't belong to you. They get to charge whatever they like and you get to decide if it's worth buying.

But you don't get to steal it just because you think the record companies make too much money.

This mindset is one of the great evils of Socialism, which panders to the notion that anybody ought to have whatever they want, even if it's at someone else's expense.

Fucking Marxist assholes.

People who steal need to go to jail, it's just that simple.

Yeah we did decide. We decided it wasn't worth buying.

[pErvinalia]

Their profits are way done because (as someone said above) they didn't keep up. If they had looked at the Spotify and other models earlier they wouldn't be grumbling and taking it out on consumers.

That's a good point. I'm using Spotify and Pandora now instead of downloading music (not that I downloaded very much before). I do wonder, though, how much the artists get out of it. I bet they get less than hard record sales, but because it is more than they get when their music is ripped off, they have to lump it.

[pErvinalia]

Let's say I download a computer game. If I like it, I'm going to buy it. I get to try it out, but if it sucks, I didn't waste my money on it.

It's capitalism at its finest. A company who produces a quality product makes money and continues to make more quality products. The company who makes a shitty product, doesn't get any of my money and doesn't succeed to make more money and products.

I make excuses like this all the time, and I bet a whole lot of other people make them too. Whether the final reality reflects this is questionable. I don't download very much (and certainly not software products, and only very rarely movies; I mostly download tv shows and music), but even then, I still try and convince myself I will eventually buy it or some other convenient narrative.

In other words, you're a thief.

Pretty much (but you're a threat to national security), although I keep it to a small minimum. I mostly download tv shows that aren't even on here in Australia. But as I just said above, I mostly use Pandora and Spotify now, so there's no need to download any music that I ordinarily couldn't afford. It's the business model the music industry (and the equivalent in the movie industry) should have moved to initially.

[Audley Strange]

Their profits are way done because (as someone said above) they didn't keep up. If they had looked at the Spotify and other models earlier they wouldn't be grumbling and taking it out on consumers.

That's a good point. I'm using Spotify and Pandora now instead of downloading music (not that I downloaded very much before). I do wonder, though, how much the artists get out of it. I bet they get less than hard record sales, but because it is more than they get when their music is ripped off, they have to lump it.

They get a pittance. I read an article that some guy got $1.29 for a million plays on one of them.

[Seth]

Let's say I download a computer game. If I like it, I'm going to buy it. I get to try it out, but if it sucks, I didn't waste my money on it.

It's capitalism at its finest. A company who produces a quality product makes money and continues to make more quality products. The company who makes a shitty product, doesn't get any of my money and doesn't succeed to make more money and products.

I make excuses like this all the time, and I bet a whole lot of other people make them too. Whether the final reality reflects this is questionable. I don't download very much (and certainly not software products, and only very rarely movies; I mostly download tv shows and music), but even then, I still try and convince myself I will eventually buy it or some other convenient narrative.

In other words, you're a thief.

Pretty much (but you're a threat to national security), although I keep it to a small minimum. I mostly download tv shows that aren't even on here in Australia. But as I just said above, I mostly use Pandora and Spotify now, so there's no need to download any music that I ordinarily couldn't afford. It's the business model the music industry (and the equivalent in the movie industry) should have moved to initially.

And that excuses theft how, exactly? Are you a shoplifter too? How about bank robbery and street muggings? That okay by you just because your victims "should have moved to" a different model?

It's amazing how irrational people who are supposed to be "rational" can be about their own motives, actions, morals and ethics. Pretty fucking situational or so it seems.

[Seth]

Pretty much (but you're a threat to national security)

Depends on the nation, but yes, I am a threat to the security of some nations, particularly Marxist ones. And proud of it.

[pErvinalia]

Let's say I download a computer game. If I like it, I'm going to buy it. I get to try it out, but if it sucks, I didn't waste my money on it.

It's capitalism at its finest. A company who produces a quality product makes money and continues to make more quality products. The company who makes a shitty product, doesn't get any of my money and doesn't succeed to make more money and products.

I make excuses like this all the time, and I bet a whole lot of other people make them too. Whether the final reality reflects this is questionable. I don't download very much (and certainly not software products, and only very rarely movies; I mostly download tv shows and music), but even then, I still try and convince myself I will eventually buy it or some other convenient narrative.

In other words, you're a thief.

Pretty much (but you're a threat to national security), although I keep it to a small minimum. I mostly download tv shows that aren't even on here in Australia. But as I just said above, I mostly use Pandora and Spotify now, so there's no need to download any music that I ordinarily couldn't afford. It's the business model the music industry (and the equivalent in the movie industry) should have moved to initially.

And that excuses theft how, exactly? Are you a shoplifter too? How about bank robbery and street muggings? That okay by you just because your victims "should have moved to" a different model?

It's amazing how irrational people who are supposed to be "rational" can be about their own motives, actions, morals and ethics. Pretty fucking situational or so it seems.

I'm not denying it or excusing it (other than to point out the minimal nature of my participation in it). Well, I am excusing some of it (in the case of TV shows) under the reality that I am not depriving the owner anything given the show isn't even shown in Australia and there is no way I can legally pay to watch it.

Other than that, I don't care. I certainly don't care when a selfish libertarian tries to paint me as morally wrong. Physician, heal thyself!

[Seth]

I'm not denying it or excusing it (other than to point out the minimal nature of my participation in it). Well, I am excusing some of it (in the case of TV shows) under the reality that I am not depriving the owner anything given the show isn't even shown in Australia and there is no way I can legally pay to watch it.

Other than that, I don't care. I certainly don't care when a selfish libertarian tries to paint me as morally wrong. Physician, heal thyself!

Wow. That's a remarkable display of narcissistic self-interest and a complete lack of morals AND ethics. Nice rationalization of crime there.

Maybe the producers of the show don't WANT you to see it? Why is your desire to see it more important than their rights?

And you are painting yourself as a morality-free cupidinous thief, not me. I'm merely pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in your self-rationalizations.

I'll bet the street thug doesn't care that you want to keep your wallet, or your teeth. He probably thinks you're being "selfish."

Here's hoping one of them uses your own "reasoning" against you sometime soon.