Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

[Seth]

You seem to think that being a stupid, complacent sheeple means you're being brave. Not in the least.

I'll put my courage up against yours any day MrMarxist dependent-class prole.

You want some, come get some.

Only two types of people those who embrace violence as an normal part of life and the more civilized people who do their best to avoid it.

Waste of time talking in his world what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. Simple as that a true fanatic

There's a substantial difference between "embracing" violence and being prepared to defend yourself against violence when and if it occurs, not that I expect you to be able to understand this distinction. Moreover, sometimes "violence" is the proper, ethical and moral response to a situation, pacifist pretensions notwithstanding. Those who eschew necessary ethical violence are more likely to be cowards than they are to be religiously committed to non-violence.

Even Gandhi knew that there is a time and a place for the use of force.

[Seth]

This is how it goes down when you can't defend yourself.

If you can't see why this woman should be able to shoot this scum dead in his tracks, then you are just as bad as he is.

Worse, actually, because one would have to watch this brutal assault and then decide that she "deserved" it or the attacker "doesn't deserve" to be shot. That's way worse than the crime because it's a decision made in the cold, hard light of day after deliberation.

[MrJonno]

If either person involved in that had been carrying a firearm that wouldn't have been a viscous assault it would have been a murder quite obviously. The victim should consider herself fortunate that her assailant wasn't armed

[MrJonno]

There's a substantial difference between "embracing" violence and being prepared to defend yourself against violence when and if it occurs, not that I expect you to be able to understand this distinction. Moreover, sometimes "violence" is the proper, ethical and moral response to a situation, pacifist pretensions notwithstanding. Those who eschew necessary ethical violence are more likely to be cowards than they are to be religiously committed to non-violence.

Correct there is no difference between embracing violence and going around prepared to defend yourself, both are treating life as a eternal warzone. I don't live in places where I need to consider self defence. If I want to live in a warzone I will join the army

[Blind groper]

To Mr. Jonno

You do not even need to repond to Seth and Gallstones anecdotes. They represent the epitome of cherry picking data. From 100,000 shootings in the USA each year, they select a small number that match their preconceptions and idiotic ideas. Actually, I suspect this cherry picking is done by lackeys of the NRA, and Seth and Gallstones act as obedient and mindless worshippers at the temple of the Church of the Gun.

[Seth]

If either person involved in that had been carrying a firearm that wouldn't have been a viscous assault it would have been a murder quite obviously. The victim should consider herself fortunate that her assailant wasn't armed

And she should be thankful she wasn't armed why, exactly? With proper training he wouldn't have made it six feet inside the door.

[Seth]

There's a substantial difference between "embracing" violence and being prepared to defend yourself against violence when and if it occurs, not that I expect you to be able to understand this distinction. Moreover, sometimes "violence" is the proper, ethical and moral response to a situation, pacifist pretensions notwithstanding. Those who eschew necessary ethical violence are more likely to be cowards than they are to be religiously committed to non-violence.

Correct there is no difference between embracing violence and going around prepared to defend yourself, both are treating life as a eternal warzone. I don't live in places where I need to consider self defence. If I want to live in a warzone I will join the army

Problem is Jonno, you're living in a fairy tale inside your head because crime occurs everywhere on earth, in every culture bar none, including yours.

You're not safe. You will never be safe. You are at the complete mercy of anyone who wishes to victimize you, be it a criminal thug or a government functionary.

Enjoy!

[Blind groper]

To Seth

You are correct that crime occurs everywhere. But how you respond to it is our choice. You can do what I do, and take sane precautions, and respond in a rational way when those precautions are not enough. Like talking my way out of a nasty situation.

Or you can do what you do, and respond to a high murder environment by preparing yourself to make things much worse by being ready to commit murder yourself. Every extra person carrying a tool for committing murder is an extra opportunity for murder to happen. Carrying hand guns for protection is like fighting a forest fire by throwing gasoline on it.

[Seth]

To Seth

You are correct that crime occurs everywhere.

Yup.

But how you respond to it is our choice.

To a certain point yes, but we're talking about survival, self-defense and the lawful use of lethal force in situations where other options are closed.

You can do what I do, and take sane precautions, and respond in a rational way when those precautions are not enough. Like talking my way out of a nasty situation.

Lots of women have tried talking their way out of being raped and murdered I bet. Didn't work out so well for them, did it...any more than it worked for the Jews or the Gypsies.

Which doesn't mean one shouldn't try to talk your way out of it, or avoid it all together, as I've managed to do my whole career save one. But when talking fails, or there's no time to talk and it's fight or die, I'd much rather have a handgun than a lexicon and dictionary thanks.

Or you can do what you do, and respond to a high murder environment by preparing yourself to make things much worse by being ready to commit murder yourself.

Lawful self defense is ipso facto and de jure not "murder."

Every extra person carrying a tool for committing murder is an extra opportunity for murder to happen.

Every woman carrying a vagina is an extra opportunity for rape to happen. Let's just sew them all up!

Carrying hand guns for protection is like fighting a forest fire by throwing gasoline on it.

How would you know? You've never carried a handgun for self defense in your entire life, nor, I suspect, has anyone you know or have ever met.

I, on the other hand, know dozens of people all of who carry concealed handguns on a daily basis and not one of them has ever committed a murder. Neither have I in my 30 years of carrying a handgun.

In other words, you are an ignorant fool who looks more and more foolish with every post.

[FBM]

Just checking in. Fascinating thread, but I have to go shave my penis.

[Blind groper]

To Seth

Nothing you say alters the simple fact, that in the western country with massively the greatest number of hand guns, you also have massively the greatest number of murders. Your fantasy about more guns less crime is in fact, more guns more murders.

With about 100 million hand guns in the USA, you still have 4 times the per capita murder rate of other OECD countries. All those hand guns just make matters far worse.

To FBM

I am glad you have a penis to shave, but more importantly, do you have a brain to exercise? Lots of others in this forum do not.

[FBM]

To FBM

I am glad you have a penis to shave, but more importantly, do you have a brain to exercise? Lots of others in this forum do not.

Nice try, but you're not going to trick me into thinking today.

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[Clinton Huxley]

Just to check - has this debate moved on in the last umpty-bazillion posts? Anyone amended their position?

[Blind groper]

Absolutely not, Clinton.

Those, like me, who operate from a rational position have seen nothing to change that position. The very religious, who worship at the Church of the Gun continue to worship tools of murder as revealed by their prophet, the NRA.

[Clinton Huxley]

I applaud your persistence, BG.