Found not guilty, then judge says he may be guilty

[Coito ergo sum]

All of God's children should be supported.

...just not by you, LOL. In a world where the old and infirm support the healthy, fit, defenseless young men....

[Coito ergo sum]

No

Then in that case (assuming that contract law there is the same as UK contract law) there was no valid contract since it involved an illegal activity.
Somebody correct me if I'm mistaken...but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

That would be correct. However, the defense raised was not based on the existence or nonexistence of contract.

[MrJonno]

Old people have effectively mugged young people on an epic scale no handbags required

[Coito ergo sum]

At the very least he should be tried for soliciting sex and given the maximum sentence possible.

That I agree with.

Actually, based on what I know about the case, were I on the jury I'd convict him of murder.

[Coito ergo sum]

Anyway, isn't this thread supposed to be about an actor noncing a schoolboy, or something?

Nah, it's about coit getting butthurt because I called him a name once.

Once?

LOL -- I've never reported you for or complained about your namecalling. I've pointed out that your namecalling makes you look silly and rather stupid -- words to that effect.

[Coito ergo sum]

Old people have effectively mugged young people on an epic scale no handbags required

Well, if the old people need the money, then the young should hand it over, shouldn't they? To each according to his need, from each according to his ability.... and all that...

[MrJonno]

Old people have effectively mugged young people on an epic scale no handbags required

Well, if the old people need the money, then the young should hand it over, shouldn't they? To each according to his need, from each according to his ability.... and all that...

Wealth tax instead of just taxing income would be a good start (as in Switzerland). Someone in a house they paid £25k for but is now worth £500k should be not be getting money of the state.

[Coito ergo sum]

Old people have effectively mugged young people on an epic scale no handbags required

Well, if the old people need the money, then the young should hand it over, shouldn't they? To each according to his need, from each according to his ability.... and all that...

Wealth tax instead of just taxing income would be a good start (as in Switzerland). Someone in a house they paid £25k for but is now worth £500k should be not be getting money of the state.

It would be better to eliminate the income tax and create a large national sales tax to replace it. Exempt from the sales tax things that lower middle, and lower class people most often need -- like gasoline, food, clothing and basic shelter, and tax the fuck out of large houses, expensive cars, luxury and recreational boats, and other things that are not basic necessities -- tax entertainment, recreational drugs (including alcohol and cigarettes), vacations, theme parks, movies, concerts, expensive clothing and the like.

Wealth taxes are dangerous, because if people expect that working their ass off to build a comfortable retirement is going to result in their earnings being seized, then they will either hide the wealth or just not earn it. If you set up a system where earning wealth just means it is getting taken away, then that can really hurt everyone. Now, if we could be assured that the wealth tax would remain very modest, then it would not present that much of a problem.

The difficulty with a wealth tax is in measuring wealth. It's easy when it comes to people who have a house, car, dog, two kids and live paycheck to paycheck. However, when it comes to people with real assets, the numbers get fuzzy. What's this asset worth? What is this or that company in which the person owns shares worth? These are costly estimates to make and involve lots of forensic accounting.

[MrJonno]

No tax is ever going to be popular with everyone (or even anyone) but when you money pouring out of the younger poor to pay for the wealthy but sickly old something has to give and no the young can't save more they are too busy paying stupidly inflated house prices (average 1st buyer 35/40 now in the England/Scotland), for their 1.8 kids not to mention the elderly.

Ideally the elderly will die without pain with their last penny spent on a good bottle of wine making way for the next generation (and not expecting me to subsidise them to leave what is basically tax payers money to their children)

[Coito ergo sum]

No tax is ever going to be popular with everyone (or even anyone) but when you money pouring out of the younger poor

How can money be pouring out of the younger "poor?" They're not paying for hardly anything either.

to pay for the wealthy but sickly old

You assume the wealthy old are receiving windfalls. How so? And, aren't their poor old?

something has to give and no the young can't save more they are too busy paying stupidly inflated house prices (average 1st buyer 35/40 now in the England/Scotland), for their 1.8 kids not to mention the elderly.

That's a result of your government policies to date, which are more in line with what you want than what you object to. If the housing prices reflected what a willing buyer and a willing seller would agree upon in a relatively free and fair open market, you wouldn't have this problem. Your government policies drive up the prices.

Ideally the elderly will die without pain with their last penny spent on a good bottle of wine making way for the next generation (and not expecting me to subsidise them to leave what is basically tax payers money to their children)

Well, if you have extra money, in the system you want wouldn't you be the one to subsidize those who don't have much? Certainly seems weird that you would claim that the young poor are doing the subsidizing. Can they be? How ?

[MrJonno]

The young are paying for the old pensions and medical care (even in the US). The elderly certainly haven't covered their own costs and that's while trying to survive on low wages in insecure jobs while paying a fortune to pay the rent/mortgage something the old never had to do

[laklak]

We should sell the young poor to the Chinese, they'll turn them into dog food and sell it back to us. Fifi and Fluffy can dine on Occupy protesters while I drink free government Shiraz and clean my guns. Sounds fair to me.

[MrJonno]

We should sell the young poor to the Chinese, they'll turn them into dog food and sell it back to us. Fifi and Fluffy can dine on Occupy protesters while I drink free government Shiraz and clean my guns. Sounds fair to me.

Or we could do a Logan's Run

Old are going to be ok as they have the money and the numbers in a democracy, no politicians will attack them as they also tend to vote.

Anyway I should scrape through at 41 and no kids to worry about it (2 cats through)

[Coito ergo sum]

The young are paying for the old pensions and medical care (even in the US). The elderly certainly haven't covered their own costs and that's while trying to survive on low wages in insecure jobs while paying a fortune to pay the rent/mortgage something the old never had to do

The young "poor" though? How can the "poor" be supporting anyone? In the US the poor don't pay income taxes, and what they pay in to the social security program is not enough to support themselves or anyone else.

If the elderly haven't covered their own costs, then aren't they needy? Why shouldn't the State take care of them, then?

[MrJonno]

I assume you have state pensions in the US , thats shared taxpayers money gong to people many of whom own a fortune in property, the old pay little tax and get free (or in the US heavily subsidised) medical care

Poor basically is anyone under 30 these days, its school ---> university ---> minimum wage job/unemployment these days