Re: Unarmed teen shooting: the debate trickles on...

[Seth]

I'll go with the sociologists on this one. More killers will get away as it is in Florida. You killed your opponent, there is no witness (he is dead) therefore your word is all is needed. "I thought he had a gun."

No thanks. We are not going to release you just because you had a legal gun and all permits. Every case will be investigated.

Physical evidence will get you off the hook. Same as always before.

Er, that's exactly the way it works now. One dead stranger in the bedroom, one live homeowner with a handgun. Full investigation. What "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" laws do is state that IF your actions meet the standards and criteria in the law, then you CANNOT be charged either civilly or criminally. That doesn't mean there is no investigation.

The law is intended to prevent miscarriages of justice such as those perpetrated by former Colorado Governor and Denver DA Bill Ritter, who prosecuted ANY civilian who used a gun to defend themselves as if they had committed pre-meditated murder, no matter how clear-cut the evidence provided by the police investigation that the shooting was justified. This was because he is extremely anti-gun and simply doesn't care if you lawfully used your firearm in self-defense, he would prosecute you just to harass you and force you to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars...or force you to plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit because you don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars and don't want to face life in prison...because he hates gun owners. This is the same DA who NEVER prosecuted a cop in Denver for a wrongful shooting or excessive use of force. Never.

Now, if someone uses their gun properly in self defense, and the police discover that the person's actions comply with the law, the DA is PROHIBITED from engaging in wrongful prosecution. This prevents miscarriage of justice.

But a full investigation still takes place.

[laklak]

And if there is any question there is a hearing and possibly a trial, as evidenced by Zimmerman's case.

[Tero]

Cops can shoot all they like. We pay them to do it. If some cop is too trigger happy, off the force, one year severance pay.

[Tero]

You guys should get some kind of shooter's insurance. For civil cases against you.

The Zimmerman case would have died soon if Martin supporters did not play the race card.

So, try to shoot white people only, if you are white.

[Collector1337]

Cops can shoot all they like. We pay them to do it. If some cop is too trigger happy, off the force, one year severance pay.

Cops are not paid to "shoot all they like."

It's funny that some think no one should be able to defend themselves, but then don't care about police negligently shooting their firearms. Like the DA Seth referenced.

A year severance pay? Are you shitting me? Absurd.

How about, "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out?"

[Collector1337]

You guys should get some kind of shooter's insurance. For civil cases against you.

The Zimmerman case would have died soon if Martin supporters did not play the race card.

So, try to shoot white people only, if you are white.

That's why in stand your ground laws, it is included, if it is legitimate self-defense, you cannot be sued in civil court.

Which is the way it should be. It's ridiculous that if someone is trying to hurt/kill you, and you end up having to defend yourself, lawfully, you just get sued anyway. So, you're still alive, but your financial life is over. Law protecting criminals are bullshit.

[Tero]

Cops can shoot all they like. We pay them to do it. If some cop is too trigger happy, off the force, one year severance pay.

Cops are not paid to "shoot all they like."

It's funny that some think no one should be able to defend themselves, but then don't care about police negligently shooting their firearms. Like the DA Seth referenced.

A year severance pay? Are you shitting me? Absurd.

How about, "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out?"

Trust me it's cheaper that way. Some of their shooting was for good reason, and you would have to go through every time they fired a gun, and evaluate it, perhaps a year later.

I really don't want to bring the cops into this too much,but they are not going to shoot too eagerly if their job is on the line. If the evil doer gets away, no personal loss to the cop most times. Shoot all they like or dare.

[Seth]

You guys should get some kind of shooter's insurance. For civil cases against you.

Why? I haven't shot anybody. If you fear being shot, then YOU get insurance to protect yourself from that peril. That's how insurance works, you see.

Then again I might (and indeed do) have general liability insurance that covers me against actions I take that harm others, it's part of my homeowners insurance package.

The Zimmerman case would have died soon if Martin supporters did not play the race card.

So, try to shoot white people only, if you are white.

Armed criminals are all the same color...red.

[Seth]

Cops can shoot all they like. We pay them to do it. If some cop is too trigger happy, off the force, one year severance pay.

Cops are not paid to "shoot all they like."

It's funny that some think no one should be able to defend themselves, but then don't care about police negligently shooting their firearms. Like the DA Seth referenced.

A year severance pay? Are you shitting me? Absurd.

How about, "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out?"

No, it's "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way IN...to your prison cell where you're going to spend the next 25 years to life."

That's what dirty, abusive, murderous cops need.

[Seth]

Cops can shoot all they like. We pay them to do it. If some cop is too trigger happy, off the force, one year severance pay.

Cops are not paid to "shoot all they like."

It's funny that some think no one should be able to defend themselves, but then don't care about police negligently shooting their firearms. Like the DA Seth referenced.

A year severance pay? Are you shitting me? Absurd.

How about, "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out?"

Trust me it's cheaper that way. Some of their shooting was for good reason, and you would have to go through every time they fired a gun, and evaluate it, perhaps a year later.

I really don't want to bring the cops into this too much,but they are not going to shoot too eagerly if their job is on the line. If the evil doer gets away, no personal loss to the cop most times. Shoot all they like or dare.

In theory their lives and freedom are on the line every time they discharge their weapon, but that doesn't stop them from doing it improperly far MORE often than armed civilians...eleven TIMES more often in fact...and getting away with it because DA's and judges look the other way when cops abuse their authority most of the time.

[Tero]

I'll take the cop over the pretend cop, Zimmerman.

[JimC]

Someone wake up this thread when the actual court case is over...

[Seth]

I'll take the cop over the pretend cop, Zimmerman.

Well, if you don't try to bash his head in on the sidewalk, you're in no danger.

Cops probably wouldn't have waited that long.

[Warren Dew]

Yes, I want the case to lead to repeal stand your ground and concealed carry.

You're out of luck. Zimmerman's lawyer has already decided not to ask for a "stand your ground" hearing, because his case is built on Zimmerman's acting in ordinary self defense. Once the other guy is on top of you bashing your head into the ground, you don't need "stand your ground" to show you couldn't retreat.

Back to idiot George. Why didn't he state: hi, I'm George of community watch. Are you visiting someone here?

How do you know he didn't?

[Tero]

As far as we know he said: What are you doing here?

That is what the jury will hear from known testimony.