Every law is like that anywhere. You can only be punished for getting caught.RiverF wrote:Actually .. noone can stop anyone shouting "fire" in a theatre ...
But there are consequences if you do.
US gun laws .. are they like that?
Unreasoning fear and stubborn recalcitrance are the hallmarks of the gun lobby.RiverF wrote:aight .. that's what I'm getting from those I'm reading here lately too.
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
According to some of our friends here, many gun owners in the States refuse to disclose that they own a gun - and proudly say they will never cooperate with registration - so you might not know. And as we see time and time again, incidents like this do happen. Yet every gun owner insists that they themselves are "responsible gun owners", so we can trust them.Tero wrote:My 4 year old would not have shot me, since I would not have visited a gun owner with him. I would have gone alone.Clinton Huxley wrote:How drearily predictable
I hear ammo has been hard to get lately. Gun sales are up too. Somebody's makin' mad loot.RiverF wrote:aight .. that's what I'm getting from those I'm reading here lately too.Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Riv, the gun lovers say ANY restrictions are just slippery slope and would happily see them all removed. 'Cause, you know, common sense is good enough.RiverF wrote:
Can neither of you agree on practical restrictions on gun ownership and use, including effective enforcement, to limit the incidence of criminal use, pathological misuse, and accidental discharge?
My post above is also relevant to this one of yours, Kristie. I didn't catch that before I posted.Kristie wrote:I think the most relevant (to my life) part of this article us how the child found the gun while they were visiting a fruend's house. Almost all of my family and friends think my husband and I are over protective since we won't let our kids go play at just anyone's house. This article proves to some if them why we are that way. You really just never know who is stupid enough to leave a gun laying around when children are present.
Agreed, seeing the direction this thread is going.Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
BTW, move requested.
They're all responsible gun owners.orpheus wrote:According to some of our friends here, many gun owners in the States refuse to disclose that they own a gun - and proudly say they will never cooperate with registration - so you might not know. And as we see time and time again, incidents like this do happen. Yet every gun owner insists that they themselves are "responsible gun owners", so we can trust them.Tero wrote:My 4 year old would not have shot me, since I would not have visited a gun owner with him. I would have gone alone.Clinton Huxley wrote:How drearily predictable
Delightful, huh?
One of my cousins decided to insist on his "rights" and fly armed. 90 days in jail for that. Very responsible.The_Metatron wrote:They're all responsible gun owners.
Until the moment they aren't.
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
FFS! Know my views before bashing them. I am all for practical restrictions on gun ownership and use. I don't want guns banned. I just want them better regulated and I want more sever consequences for negligence like this article portrays.RiverF wrote:FFS where's the middle ground here?Kristie wrote:Fuck you. You might think differently when it's someone you love that's accidentally shot by a child. Or, when a child you love accidentally shoots someone. And that doesn't mean your negligence would have to be at fault, it could be the negligence of someone else. And, if something like that wouldn't change your mind, you're a shit excuse for a human.Collector1337 wrote:I should lose my rights because of idiots. That makes so much sense.
Can neither of you agree on practical restrictions on gun ownership and use, including effective enforcement, to limit the incidence of criminal use, pathological misuse, and accidental discharge?
What makes me a bad person? The fact that I don't like children having access to guns or the fact that I despise people like you?Collector1337 wrote:Fuck you. You are a sorry shit excuse for a human.Kristie wrote:Fuck you. You might think differently when it's someone you love that's accidentally shot by a child. Or, when a child you love accidentally shoots someone. And that doesn't mean your negligence would have to be at fault, it could be the negligence of someone else. And, if something like that wouldn't change your mind, you're a shit excuse for a human.Collector1337 wrote:I should lose my rights because of idiots. That makes so much sense.
I keep my valuables locked up. Idiots are not my problem or my concern. God forbid we ever just say "accidents happen" and move on with our lives.
I wonder how old this kid was. Knowing the police/nanny state government, I wouldn't doubt it if they charged a 5 year old as an adult.
Very much soThe_Metatron wrote:They're all responsible gun owners.orpheus wrote:According to some of our friends here, many gun owners in the States refuse to disclose that they own a gun - and proudly say they will never cooperate with registration - so you might not know. And as we see time and time again, incidents like this do happen. Yet every gun owner insists that they themselves are "responsible gun owners", so we can trust them.Tero wrote:My 4 year old would not have shot me, since I would not have visited a gun owner with him. I would have gone alone.Clinton Huxley wrote:How drearily predictable
Delightful, huh?
Until the moment they aren't.
Of course the problem, laklak, is that all gun owners think they're responsible. Well, not all. I'm sure some wild-ass immature jerks know they're irresponsible and don't give a damn. But let's put it this way: the vast majority of gun owners claim to be responsible. If pressed, they'd even give assurances like those you gave above, and they'd even be sincere about it. And the problem is that of this vast number who claim to be responsible, there is a subset that simply is not.laklak wrote:No they're all NOT responsible gun owners. Anyone who would leave an unsecured, loaded weapon lying around the house is by definition not a responsible gun owner. Anyone who would allow a child into their home without checking first that weapons and any other potentially dangerous objects were secured is not a responsible person, let alone a responsible gun owner.
Fuck me I get tired of being compared to fucking idiots like this. You can bring your children into my home at any time, and I can guarantee you a couple of things. 1) they will not have access to a weapon of any sort 2) they will not drown in the swimming pool 3) they will not be mauled by my dogs, despite the fact that one of them is a Viscous Baby Killing American Pit Bull Terrier. Why can I say this? Because I'm a fucking responsible adult, that's why.
laklak wrote:No they're all NOT responsible gun owners. Anyone who would leave an unsecured, loaded weapon lying around the house is by definition not a responsible gun owner. Anyone who would allow a child into their home without checking first that weapons and any other potentially dangerous objects were secured is not a responsible person, let alone a responsible gun owner.
Fuck me I get tired of being compared to fucking idiots like this. You can bring your children into my home at any time, and I can guarantee you a couple of things. 1) they will not have access to a weapon of any sort 2) they will not drown in the swimming pool 3) they will not be mauled by my dogs, despite the fact that one of them is a Viscous Baby Killing American Pit Bull Terrier. Why can I say this? Because I'm a fucking responsible adult, that's why.
Every gun I own is secured under lock and key. Ammunition is stored separately, secured under lock and key. The pool is surrounded by a 6 foot high wooden fence, gate latches are 54 inches above ground level (locked) and all interior doors and windows leading to the pool area are locked and alarmed. The dogs are well trained and will be kept away from the children. I trust my dogs but I do not trust your children. If and when I decide that your children are well mannered and responsible enough not to hurt my dogs (thereby putting themselves in danger) then I'll allow them to play together under MY supervision.
Did the father of this child not know what sort of person they were visiting? Did he not realize that he was NOT a responsible human being? Did he not know this was the sort of drooling imbecile who might leave a loaded fucking gun, or a kitchen knife, or a hammer drill or sledge hammer or circular saw or rat poison or bag of meth out in plain sight? Did the father not supervise his goddamned 4 YEAR OLD in another persons home? Why the fuck did he let his child wander around in someone's home without supervision? What kind of irresponsible, stupid idiot was he? It was HIS goddamned responsibility to supervise and protect his child - he didn't do that and now he's dead, and his child has to live with the knowledge that he killed his own father. There is no fucking way in hell that either of my children would ever have wandered around someone's house unsupervised. No......fucking......way......in......hell. There is no way in hell that I would ever have taken my child on an "unannounced" visit to an "unidentified former roommate", which means "drug deal" or some other sort of low-rent, trailer-trash bullshit.
I am sick and tired of being compared to these asshats. I am sick and tired of stupid people doing stupid things in concert with other stupid people and having their fucking stupidity used as an excuse to justify restricting, controlling and otherwise meddling in my life.
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