Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

[MrJonno]

OMFG. There's 4 people total and you think you need "someone in charge?"

You are so hopelessly brainwashed. You are a perfect example of learned helplessness and government dependence.

What the hell do you do for a living, have you ever worked in a team or do you just shoot rabbits and live of their entrails

In the capitalist work world where they isn't a government official in site you would never get 4 people doing a shared task where someone wasn't in charge

[Collector1337]

OMFG. There's 4 people total and you think you need "someone in charge?"

You are so hopelessly brainwashed. You are a perfect example of learned helplessness and government dependence.

What the hell do you do for a living, have you ever worked in a team or do you just shoot rabbits and live of their entrails

I most definitely work on a team and individually. Having someone "in charge" is definitely not needed.

In the capitalist work world where they isn't a government official in site you would never get 4 people doing a shared task where someone wasn't in charge

Are you high or are you really just that stupid?

[MrJonno]

I most definitely work on a team and individually. Having someone "in charge" is definitely not needed.

A team that doesn't have someone in charge isn't a team, love to see how well any business or government organisations where everyone just does what they feel is best.

As for desert island, first thing is if someone doesn't ask what people's skills that might be useful here I will. Hopefully that will give an indication of who is best to take charge. If not its probably going to be volunteer time. He/She takes over and starts allocating tasks and deals with any objections to whatever plan they have.

[Collector1337]

I most definitely work on a team and individually. Having someone "in charge" is definitely not needed.

A team that doesn't have someone in charge isn't a team, love to see how well any business or government organisations where everyone just does what they feel is best.

As for desert island, first thing is if someone doesn't ask what people's skills that might be useful here I will. Hopefully that will give an indication of who is best to take charge. If not its probably going to be volunteer time. He/She takes over and starts allocating tasks and deals with any objections to whatever plan they have.

You need serious professional mental help. Please seek a therapist as soon as possible, if not for yourself, then for the good of society that you worship so much.

[Blind groper]

I most definitely work on a team and individually. Having someone "in charge" is definitely not needed.

Most interesting, Collector. How long have you been a Marxist?

To Seth

I would suggest you get off your comfortable red neck armchair, and get out to see the world. Visit Britain and western Europe, Australia, NZ, and Canada. Then Japan, and Singapore for a little Asian flavour. If you have your eyes open, you will see freedom in operation without guns, and the lack of fear that applies when you know that your neighbour is not a red neck nut case carrying a hand gun.

[MrJonno]

You need serious professional mental help. Please seek a therapist as soon as possible, if not for yourself, then for the good of society that you worship so much

Curious Collector what would do in such a desert island situation, tell everyone you're fucking off to do your own thing?

[Seth]

I most definitely work on a team and individually. Having someone "in charge" is definitely not needed.

Most interesting, Collector. How long have you been a Marxist?

To Seth

I would suggest you get off your comfortable red neck armchair, and get out to see the world. Visit Britain and western Europe, Australia, NZ, and Canada. Then Japan, and Singapore for a little Asian flavour. If you have your eyes open, you will see freedom in operation without guns, and the lack of fear that applies when you know that your neighbour is not a red neck nut case carrying a hand gun.

It's just the illusion of freedom. If you can't ultimately tell a tyrannical bureaucrat to go fuck himself and enforce your decision not to endure his despotism, you're a slave, nothing more.

Try chewing gum in Singapore, for example.

[Blind groper]

These extreme gun nutters tend to be survivalists also, insanely stocking their cellars with guns and ammo in the forlorn hope that it will help them survive "come the day!"

What they fail to realise is that the key to survival is not guns and ammunition, but people working together. If a disaster strikes, the first to die will be the gun nutters and survivalists, as the sane people, who know how to cooperate, get together and exterminate the vermin.

Seth

You can chew gum in Singapore. But if you spit it out on the street, you will get arrested. I cannot get upset about that. Gum spitters are low life.

[Seth]

These extreme gun nutters tend to be survivalists also, insanely stocking their cellars with guns and ammo in the forlorn hope that it will help them survive "come the day!"

What they fail to realise is that the key to survival is not guns and ammunition, but people working together. If a disaster strikes, the first to die will be the gun nutters and survivalists, as the sane people, who know how to cooperate, get together and exterminate the vermin.

Thing is, you falsely believe that "preppers" are all die-hard individualists who will try to make it solo. Nothing is further from the truth. I'm part of a medium sized community of Lima Mike India's who are doing exactly what you suggest; cooperating in preparing for all sorts of disasters, from economic collapse to major snowstorms to civil unrest and mob violence. We have a tactical team that practices member extraction tactics on a regular basis. This involves sending a security team to the home of a member who is in jeopardy and extracting them from the home to a pre-selected and prepared refuge. Every adult member gets this training, which involves driving, tactical approach, perimeter security, entry team tactics and team retreat. This allows any six members to form an ad hoc team to assist another group family in trouble.

While I have my own bunker, we have pre-selected and prepared group refuges stocked with enough supplies to feed and house one "company" of the group for a year at least. We have more than one of these refuges.

But the reason I stress INDIVIDUAL survival, escape and evasion skills is that it's entirely possible that a situation will evolve so quickly (like a riot) that your only option is to bug out, possibly on foot because roads will be closed or clogged. The point is not to go alone into the wilderness to survive, it's to make your way to a community of Lima Mike India's where one can work with others to forge a secure future...free of a dependent class that does nothing to assist or enhance survival.

Seth

You can chew gum in Singapore. But if you spit it out on the street, you will get arrested. I cannot get upset about that. Gum spitters are low life.

Any place that will arrest you for spitting out gum is not free. A ticket for littering, sure, but arrest? That's despotic and tyrannical and intended to instill fear in the populace to keep them in line, and it's only ONE of the despotic list of things that Singapore does to keep its citizens in line and closely controlled.

And nobody in Singapore can do a damned thing about that despotism because they are unarmed.

[Blind groper]

Seth

I find it amusing that you talk of freedom and call non Americans slaves.

The USA has perhaps the most oppressive government of the whole western world. We who live in truly free countries have a level of liberty you Americans can only dream of.

Right now, today, you have over 100 people locked up in Guantanamo who have never been charged with any crime, yet have been imprisoned for 11 years so far. No truly free nation does this. The US military uses torture on prisoners.Your government tracks the phone records of many millions of your citizens, who have never committed a crime and have not given permission for such tracking. You continue to apply the death penalty, in spite of the fact that the judicial process is known to be flawed, and innocents are being executed. Many US cities have laws against being homeless. A person can be, and often is arrested simply because circumstances have thrown them out onto the street. Truly the work of an oppressive regime.

I can absolutely guarantee that none of these things happen in NZ, and I suspect Jim would say the same for Australia. We live in genuinely free countries, rather than your oppressive state.

Where I live, which admittedly is one of the most beautiful coastal sites on Earth, we have a community of Americans. These are freedom loving people who emigrated to find a truly free country. I have spent a lot of time with them, and they are delightful people. Almost all moved to NZ during Dubya's time, in total disgust at the direction your nation took.

Of course Seth, we know that your definition of freedom is to be permitted to play with tools for committing murder. With such a narrow focus, I doubt you will ever appreciate true freedom.

[Seth]

Seth

I find it amusing that you talk of freedom and call non Americans slaves.

I'm sure you do.

The USA has perhaps the most oppressive government of the whole western world.

No, it doesn't. It may appear that way at the moment, but the whole point is that we, the People, can change that any time we like, either through the ballot box or the bullet box. You cannot. You can only obey. Now, you may be laboring under the delusion that your "democracy" is sound, and it may be right at this moment in time, but you have no contingency plan for what to do and how to do it if it suddenly, as many democracies do, becomes undemocratic and tyrannical.

We who live in truly free countries have a level of liberty you Americans can only dream of.

You can't own a handgun. You can't own a semi-automatic sporting rifle, much less a machine gun, hand grenades, rocket launchers and other military arms. We can.

You do what your government tells you to do. We tell our government what we want it to do.

Right now, today, you have over 100 people locked up in Guantanamo who have never been charged with any crime, yet have been imprisoned for 11 years so far.

Terrorists captured on the battlefield and prisoners of war who cannot be released without endangering US lives. And furthermore, some of them who could be deported can't because even their own countries don't want them back. I don't understand that, I think we just put 'em in parachutes and drop them from a C-130 over their home countries and be done with it...maybe we even dispense with the parachute.

No truly free nation does this.

Sure they do, if those prisoners are the enemy. The Geneva Convention allows us to hold military prisoners until the cessation of hostilities. When the radical Muslims stop engaging in terror attacks, the war will then be over and they can be released. Until then they are prisoners of war.

The US military uses torture on prisoners.

Meh. Waterboarding is not torture.

Your government tracks the phone records of many millions of your citizens, who have never committed a crime and have not given permission for such tracking.

Which has just come to light and is raising a huge stink. The process to rectify this situation hasn't failed yet, so we just let the wheels of justice grind on.

You continue to apply the death penalty, in spite of the fact that the judicial process is known to be flawed, and innocents are being executed.

You're entitled to a FAIR trial, not a PERFECT trial. And I have problems with the way the death penalty is applied and I'd reform it a bit to make sure that innocent people aren't executed, but for the most part those executed are entirely guilty and need to be executed as a matter of public safety and sanitation. Just yesterday, brutal killer Leslie Van Houten, of the "Manson Family" was denied parole for the 20th time. One of these days some liberal nitwits, or some bleeding-heart judge might decide she's "reformed" and has "paid" for brutally killing the LoBiancos in 1968 and she will get out of prison. She should never get out of prison, and never be free, and the death penalty is at the very least a 100 percent cure for recidivism. You can't get out on a technicality, or on parole, like Danny Rouse or Jerry Andrew Active did and commit more crimes if you're dead.

Many US cities have laws against being homeless.

Nope. There's no law against being homeless. There may be laws about camping out on public property though.

A person can be, and often is arrested simply because circumstances have thrown them out onto the street. Truly the work of an oppressive regime.

Except for the small fact that you're lying. Doesn't happen. Bums and homeless people get arrested for breaking laws and ordinances which may be related to their being homeless, but which are not imposed because they are homeless.

I can absolutely guarantee that none of these things happen in NZ, and I suspect Jim would say the same for Australia. We live in genuinely free countries, rather than your oppressive state.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the NZ police don't arrest derelicts, drunks and bums who violate local ordinances against public intoxication, disorderly conduct, shitting on the sidewalk or camping in a public park? I simply don't believe you.

Where I live, which admittedly is one of the most beautiful coastal sites on Earth, we have a community of Americans. These are freedom loving people who emigrated to find a truly free country. I have spent a lot of time with them, and they are delightful people. Almost all moved to NZ during Dubya's time, in total disgust at the direction your nation took.

And you let them in? That was a remarkably stupid thing to do. Now they will breed and fester and destroy YOUR country too.

Of course Seth, we know that your definition of freedom is to be permitted to play with tools for committing murder. With such a narrow focus, I doubt you will ever appreciate true freedom.

My view of freedom is that so long as I can resist tyranny effectively, I'm free.

You don't have that ability, so you continue to exist only because your masters allow it.

[Jason]

I'm part of a medium sized community of Lima Mike India's

No way! I'm a member of Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Echo Romeo Zulu's!

[Blind groper]

Seth's comments are weird to me. Because he has never lived in a truly free country, he thinks what he has is superior.

Enjoy your fantasy, Seth.

[Seth]

Seth's comments are weird to me. Because he has never lived in a truly free country, he thinks what he has is superior.

Enjoy your fantasy, Seth.

Oh, I do, slave-boy. I do. I also enjoy going out whenever it pleases me to do so to shoot and blow shit up. Great fun!

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Anyone got any idea when this argument will be laid to rest? - It's been going on for nearly 5 full threads now.
A ball-park figure will do.