The beatles were fucking fantastic!

[Audley Strange]

However if Justin Bieber suddenly changed from being a disposable teeny-bopper to being both publicly and critically reknowned for many classic songs, who's albums sell hundreds of thousands of copies after he's dead, when he brings Death Metal, Voodoo Porn Rap and Grindcore to the public in his acid drenched concept album, then we could accurately compare.

He's young yet

Indeed, he could be the new Elvis.

[Tero]

The Colonel was gay?

[tattuchu]

He got them bookings.

Right. That's what a manager does. So whose idea was it to make A Hard Day's Night, for instance? Were the lads just sitting around one evening eating chicken and then just decided for a laugh to make a film? I'm assuming not. So was this Epstein's idea? How did things like this come about? I really know nothing about the history of the Beatles. I'm not naive enough to think that the Beatles phenomenon was solely the product of John, Paul, George and Ringo's creativity. But to me it's all a bit of a mystery.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Colonel was gay?

"The Colonel" invented Elvis Presley.

[Animavore]

He got them bookings.

Right. That's what a manager does. So whose idea was it to make A Hard Day's Night, for instance? Were the lads just sitting around one evening eating chicken and then just decided for a laugh to make a film? I'm assuming not. So was this Epstein's idea? How did things like this come about? I really know nothing about the history of the Beatles. I'm not naive enough to think that the Beatles phenomenon was solely the product of John, Paul, George and Ringo's creativity. But to me it's all a bit of a mystery.

Without looking it up - Film producers recognise The Beatles popularity and see dollar signs and say, "Hey! Wanna make a movie?"

You need more cynicism in your life, Tatt. Like me






(no don't, don't ever become like me)

[Animavore]

The Colonel was gay?

"The Colonel" invented Elvis Presley.

Wooden Heart was a piece of irony.

[Faithfree]

I am the eggman

[tattuchu]

I am the eggman

Proof right here The Beatles were shite. Shoulda been I am the cheeseman

[Mysturji]

Justin Bieber transformed pop music?

Nope. Have you not seen all the clones before and since?

'Nuff said.

And The Beatles were clones of The Crickets, Elvis and Cliff Richard. And later clones of just about everyone else around them so I don't see your point. Are you trying to claim The Beatles exploded out of some bubble unrelated to anything else? That's creationism right there.

Utter shite.
They evolved popular music. Rock&Roll -> Rock.
Now many (percentage-wise) popular songs in 1962 were based on a blues riff?
How many of The Beatles' original songs are based on a blues riff?
How many (percentage-wise) pop/rock songs by anyone since then are based on a blues riff?
They introduced/enabled/fostered (whatever you want to call it) greater diversity in popular music.
Unfortunately, this includes Justin Beiber, but it also includes The Flaming Lips, and everything in between.

[Animavore]

Justin Bieber transformed pop music?

Nope. Have you not seen all the clones before and since?

'Nuff said.

And The Beatles were clones of The Crickets, Elvis and Cliff Richard. And later clones of just about everyone else around them so I don't see your point. Are you trying to claim The Beatles exploded out of some bubble unrelated to anything else? That's creationism right there.

Utter shite.
They evolved popular music. Rock&Roll -> Rock.
Now many (percentage-wise) popular songs in 1962 were based on a blues riff?
How many of The Beatles' original songs are based on a blues riff?
How many (percentage-wise) pop/rock songs by anyone since then are based on a blues riff?
They introduced/enabled/fostered (whatever you want to call it) greater diversity in popular music.
Unfortunately, this includes Justin Beiber, but it also includes The Flaming Lips, and everything in between.

What? Now you're crediting the Beatles with the blues riff?!

This is beyond the joke.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I lived through this period and a lot of better bands were run under by Beatlemania.

[Mysturji]

What? Now you're crediting the Beatles with the blues riff?!

This is beyond the joke.

Stop talking shite and read it again.

[Animavore]

What? Now you're crediting the Beatles with the blues riff?!

This is beyond the joke.

Stop talking shite and read it again.

It has nothing to do with anything. You are mistaking correlation with causality. Blues riffs weren't as popular around the time The Beatles started as when they finished, doesn't mean they are directly responsible for that as many other bands from that scene were doing the same. It seems it was already picking up when they came along.

[tattuchu]

I lived through this period and a lot of better bands were run under by Beatlemania.

Like who?

[Mysturji]

What? Now you're crediting the Beatles with the blues riff?!

This is beyond the joke.

Stop talking shite and read it again.

It has nothing to do with anything. You are mistaking correlation with causality. Blues riffs weren't as popular around the time The Beatles started as when they finished, doesn't mean they are directly responsible for that as many other bands from that scene were doing the same. It seems it was already picking up when they came along.

Before Beatles: Pop music = Rock&Roll = Rhythm&Blues
(More or less, pretty much)

After Beatles: Pop music = Rock = huge range of styles & riffs
(More or less, pretty much)

Not saying they were directly and exclusively responsible, but they had a big hand in it, and there was feedback from other innovators which they fed back in turn.