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NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Post by cronus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:17 am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... ourt-order

Verizon order: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers.

Under the Bush administration, officials in security agencies had disclosed to reporters the large-scale collection of call records data by the NSA, but this is the first time significant and top-secret documents have revealed the continuation of the practice on a massive scale under President Obama.

The unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is extremely unusual. Fisa court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target who is suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets.

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Post by klr » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:48 am

Damn, that's going to make for some interesting "big data" case studies :read:
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Post by Rum » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:56 am

I read stuff like this and my thinking about America suddenly changes. Also I'm wondering if Seth isn't such a bad guy after all! :hehe:

This story made the news here btw.

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Post by JimC » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:30 am

They know everything about Seth and Collector...

Come the day, the drone strikes are already programmed...
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:55 am

Tell you what didn't make the news, the agreements in 2004 between Cananda The U.S. Austrailia and Britain in which they monitor each others citizens in a quid pro quo "we're not spying on you honest gov" to avoid any legal problems.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:57 am

Echelon.
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Post by cronus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:05 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Echelon.
Don't even say it. :fp:
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:07 am

I think that might be it CH, yeah. Though I recall something called Hyperion which monitors all incoming coms digitally and only stores those who have "trigger" words and flags repeat offenders.

Though I might have the names the wrong way round.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:50 am

I think Echelon has been going a long time. We are all now on a watch list.
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:56 am

I feel safer already.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:13 am

JimC wrote:They know everything about Seth and Collector...

Come the day, the drone strikes are already programmed...
Oh, please. Neither rates a drone. A gingham apron maybe, but not ordnance.
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Post by Ian » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:05 pm

Issued just after the Boston bombing and expires next month. It probably had to do with Boston. :ask:

I'm not in favor of it, but before anyone starts beating the republic-is-doomed drum, let's see who, if anyone, ends up arrested because of this. (I also wonder what our conservative members, who will no doubt whine about Obama being a tyrant, thought of the original Patriot Act twelve years ago. It was the Patriot Act that was cited to get this approved.)

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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:32 pm

Thing is though Ian, it's a bit rich to use weapons you're opposed to, no? Not I'm saying the current regime is opposed to using the patriot act, but I think much of their support is, thus such actions are going to lose them some of that support. Tactically it may have been useful, strategically not so much.
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Post by Tero » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:45 pm

Verizon: All Your Base Are Belong TO US

This is so cool! I read a Finnish detective novel, where the crooks were in an industrial warehouse, as they always are. The boss crook, a businessman, had his cell phone turned off. Then they had the phone company give active numbers in that cell. 5 pay as you go phones popped up. All they had to do was monitor the henchmen. The boss was trickier to catch.

They had a court order.

No court order is needed to bust into homes, provided there is a tip or call from the wife beater's home.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:50 pm

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