Umm.. I don't know why I wrote that there.. I was very very drunk. Not that it isn't true, but I don't know why I posted it in this thread. Maybe I got my wires crossed from something else I was trying to respond to.hadespussercats wrote:Yeah. I didn't get the original comment. I thought I'd just mirror the format, see what happened.Svartalf wrote:We've had lentils in the West at least since Roman times, you know that? You can have a nice dish of lentils without it having to be a form of dhal.hadespussercats wrote:Huh?PordFrefect wrote:I'm not attracted to the majority of black women. I'm not racist. So fucking what?
I like lentils. I'm not from Bombay.
I like dhal.
So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.
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I think that this whole thing has presented us with an important topic of conversation, and I've seen a lot of really good discussion on this issue. I think the well was rather poisoned, though, when rather than post here and have a conversation about what he though about the joke, PZ instead condemned every member of rationalia on his own site where he has a bully pulpit. Because of this poisoning of the well, a large amount of the conversation has been destructive rather than constructive.
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I thought it was kind of amusing that he declared Ratz a nest of cockroaches while he is a member. I guess he wants to be Head Roach.
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It's like people who type in wow general chat "lol you play wow, you're a nerd."Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I thought it was kind of amusing that he declared Ratz a nest of cockroaches while he is a member. I guess he wants to be Head Roach.
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You play WoW...num1cubfn wrote:It's like people who type in wow general chat "lol you play wow, you're a nerd."Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I thought it was kind of amusing that he declared Ratz a nest of cockroaches while he is a member. I guess he wants to be Head Roach.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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I did read it carefully. I strongly urge you to go back and do the same.pzmyers wrote:I really, really recommend that you read Audley Strange's comment carefully. My summary was dead on. He literally said that tasteless, offensive jokes that attack a group aren't the problem, but that criticizing the people who say misogynistic jokes is "Bundy level of misogyny".
If you can't see the problem with that, you're more hopeless than I thought.
Perhaps the following analogy will help you understand what Audley, I and others have been trying to say:
Imagine you went to a comedy club, and one of the comedians told a really REALLY bad, offensive and tasteless joke about rape.
Would you...
A) Boo him
B) Leave the club
C) Make a mental note not to bother listening to that particular comedian again
4) Go on the internet and write on your blog (which has a MUCH wider readership than the number of people who even know about the little comedy club) saying how the comedy club in question is a hive of racistsexisthomoxenophobia and urge all "right-minded" people to go there and see for themselves just how disgusting it is, then write in and tell you about how offended they were and if you like their letter, you won't delete it from the comments on your blog, then go on twitter and make some jokes about rape just for good measure.
It seems to me that a person who was thinking rationally would go for A, B, C, or some combination thereof.
But no.
You went for option 4.
IMHO, these are not the actions of someone who is thinking rationally, and certainly not the actions of someone who is actually serious about upholding the moral and ethical values which he claims prompted him to object to that joke in the first place.
IMHO, these are the actions of a... Well, I've already posted that particular opinion: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 9#p1230759
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I have about as much respect for non-racist evolutionary biologists as I do creationists, and that is being generous. At least creationists have God as an excuse.
Stephen Gould made an interesting and unwitting posthumous argument against his own anti-racism bias, I wonder how far behind PZ Myers could be?
Stephen Gould made an interesting and unwitting posthumous argument against his own anti-racism bias, I wonder how far behind PZ Myers could be?
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Just to put it on record that those asshole skepchick atheist plussers are not members of any community that I recognise, except their own little harbour of Doublethink and fascistic spitefulness.lilandra wrote:With rape threat jokes though it isn't just a matter of the lameness, inappropriateness, offensiveness, and or trivialization, there is also brutality that publicly humiliates the person/persons you are joking about.Pappa wrote:I'll openly admit the post was lame, inappropriate and offensive. The intention however was ridicule, because I feel the public absurdity-fest over the past year is worthy of ridicule.lilandra wrote:The rape thread isn't directly trolling PZ. It is however directly trolling the Skpechicks.Pappa wrote:How is the rape thread about Skepchicks trolling PZ?
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Dunno where else to put this, but a few tenacious folk might be interested... apparently Pizzy made a rape joke:
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Time for an enterprising fifth columnist?
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