Guns used for lawful self-defense Pt. 5

[JimC]

It's not censorship, although I'm not clear on how it would make us hypocrites if it was, it is categorization. Look around Rationalia and you'll notice we don't glop all topics into one big pot. It was decided that threads centering around gun debates should have their own forum as they had become so many.

So.. what's your beef again?

That the sole and exclusive purpose of this "categorization" is to censor gun discussions by placing them in an obscure corner of the website where idiots without index finger control will not be tasked with scrolling past them.

Your claim is just so much bullshit and you know it. Gun threads were hidden away because some people object to them and don't even want to see a thread in the general news category about guns.

It's pure undiluted censorship.

It's also mendacious intellectual pigmyism.

No.

It's an "opt-out" system...

The default is that one sees the Gun Club. One can, if one so chooses, go to the trouble of rooting around in one's control panel, and actively flick the "hide gun club" option. Those who do so aren't "oppressing" you, Seth, they are simply not interested in guns, or debates about guns.

To regard this is censorship is utterly and completely absurd.

[Collector1337]

It's not censorship, although I'm not clear on how it would make us hypocrites if it was, it is categorization. Look around Rationalia and you'll notice we don't glop all topics into one big pot. It was decided that threads centering around gun debates should have their own forum as they had become so many.

So.. what's your beef again?

That the sole and exclusive purpose of this "categorization" is to censor gun discussions by placing them in an obscure corner of the website where idiots without index finger control will not be tasked with scrolling past them.

Your claim is just so much bullshit and you know it. Gun threads were hidden away because some people object to them and don't even want to see a thread in the general news category about guns.

It's pure undiluted censorship.

It's also mendacious intellectual pigmyism.

No.

It's an "opt-out" system...

The default is that one sees the Gun Club. One can, if one so chooses, go to the trouble of rooting around in one's control panel, and actively flick the "hide gun club" option. Those who do so aren't "oppressing" you, Seth, they are simply not interested in guns, or debates about guns.

To regard this is censorship is utterly and completely absurd.

It's censorship. It's just censorship you agree with, so you don't consider it censorship.

[Seth]

It's not censorship, although I'm not clear on how it would make us hypocrites if it was, it is categorization. Look around Rationalia and you'll notice we don't glop all topics into one big pot. It was decided that threads centering around gun debates should have their own forum as they had become so many.

So.. what's your beef again?

That the sole and exclusive purpose of this "categorization" is to censor gun discussions by placing them in an obscure corner of the website where idiots without index finger control will not be tasked with scrolling past them.

Your claim is just so much bullshit and you know it. Gun threads were hidden away because some people object to them and don't even want to see a thread in the general news category about guns.

It's pure undiluted censorship.

It's also mendacious intellectual pigmyism.

No.

It's an "opt-out" system...

The default is that one sees the Gun Club. One can, if one so chooses, go to the trouble of rooting around in one's control panel, and actively flick the "hide gun club" option. Those who do so aren't "oppressing" you, Seth, they are simply not interested in guns, or debates about guns.

To regard this is censorship is utterly and completely absurd.

Liar. There is already an "opt-out" function built in to the site. When you open the board index and click on the "new" forum you are presented with nothing other than a list of thread titles. Anyone wishing to "opt out" of any particular thread need only do one thing: not click on the thread.

What you're doing is stuffing gun discussions away under a subcategory where it is NOT visible in the general list of topics up for discussion. One has to go to the subforum to see the threads available. This deliberately marginalizes gun discussions because it censors gun-related thread titles that would otherwise appear on the front page of the news forum where lurkers scanning for interesting subjects will go. Attracting new parties to a gun discussion now requires that they click on "The Gun Club" in order to see what's available. This was done quite deliberately to censor gun-related threads because of the dislike of some members. It has nothing whatever to do with opting in or out, because as I said, all anyone has to do to "opt out" of a gun thread is NOT CLICK ON THE THREAD.

And you know it.

You're lying through your teeth, and you know that too.

Despicable. Shameful. Prudish. Childish. Unworthy of any rational mind.

[JimC]

You must have a very different definition of censorship to the rest of the known universe...

No one is stopping any member of Rationalia from viewing or participating in the gun threads (I do myself, obviously...)

People can make an active decision, if they wish, to hide those threads. That option is available to hide any sub-forum; many choose to hide the mafia threads, for example...

Simply, no one other than Seth our yourself would regard collecting all the gun threads into one place as censorship. After all, it is done for all the special interest topics like food, for example.

Rather than just bluntly saying "it's censorship because I say it's censorship", would you care to attempt a rational argument that it truly belongs in that category?

[orpheus]

It did not go unnoticed that this "Gun Club" section conveniently appeared right after my arrival. The timing of which, clearly demonstrated the thinking, "OMG not another pro-gun person! I can't stand having to keep looking at these guns threads. Here, let's just make a sub-section for it so we don't have to see it any more."

Small point, but Collector, don't flatter yourself. The flood of debate in the wake of Sandy Hook etc. is a likelier reason. Your arrival was coincidental.

[JimC]

Seth write:

...what you're doing is stuffing gun discussions away under a subcategory where it is NOT visible in the general list of topics up for discussion...

Incorrect. If you haven't actively switched it off, any gun club thread appears in "New Posts" or "Unread posts", which is how the majority of folk surf the forum...

[Seth]

Seth write:

...what you're doing is stuffing gun discussions away under a subcategory where it is NOT visible in the general list of topics up for discussion...

Incorrect. If you haven't actively switched it off, any gun club thread appears in "New Posts" or "Unread posts", which is how the majority of folk surf the forum...

But if a person comes to the site who is new, and unfamiliar with the site, and wishes to browse thread titles, gun related threads are NOT visible because you have segregated them.

Quit trying to weasel your way out of this, you're wrong and you know it.

[orpheus]

Seth write:

...what you're doing is stuffing gun discussions away under a subcategory where it is NOT visible in the general list of topics up for discussion...

Incorrect. If you haven't actively switched it off, any gun club thread appears in "New Posts" or "Unread posts", which is how the majority of folk surf the forum...

But if a person comes to the site who is new, and unfamiliar with the site, and wishes to browse thread titles, gun related threads are NOT visible because you have segregated them.

Quit trying to weasel your way out of this, you're wrong and you know it.

Actually, the most likely first stop for a newcomer will be simply rationalia.com, on which "The Gun Club" appears clearly as a subforum of "News, Current Events and Politics". In that position, it has precisely the same standing as does the subforum "Evilution" in "Science, Technology and Environment"; and "The Restaurant", "Gardening", and "The Geek Squad" in "Lifestyle". One could reason that these topics have their own subfora because they are indeed important to many people.

Moreover, this arrangement makes it easier, not harder, for newcomers to find gun related threads.

[Collector1337]

It did not go unnoticed that this "Gun Club" section conveniently appeared right after my arrival. The timing of which, clearly demonstrated the thinking, "OMG not another pro-gun person! I can't stand having to keep looking at these guns threads. Here, let's just make a sub-section for it so we don't have to see it any more."

Small point, but Collector, don't flatter yourself. The flood of debate in the wake of Sandy Hook etc. is a likelier reason. Your arrival was coincidental.

LOL. My arrival 4 months later. HA!

[orpheus]

It did not go unnoticed that this "Gun Club" section conveniently appeared right after my arrival. The timing of which, clearly demonstrated the thinking, "OMG not another pro-gun person! I can't stand having to keep looking at these guns threads. Here, let's just make a sub-section for it so we don't have to see it any more."

Small point, but Collector, don't flatter yourself. The flood of debate in the wake of Sandy Hook etc. is a likelier reason. Your arrival was coincidental.

LOL. My arrival over 4 months later. HA!

Yes. So? Your arrival shortly before the creation of the subforum was coincidental. The flood of debate after Sandy Hook etc. had not died down by that point - indeed, the number of various gun-related topics had proliferated and was going strong.

Edit: indeed, the flood of debate is still going strong. Very obviously so.

[JimC]

Seth write:

...what you're doing is stuffing gun discussions away under a subcategory where it is NOT visible in the general list of topics up for discussion...

Incorrect. If you haven't actively switched it off, any gun club thread appears in "New Posts" or "Unread posts", which is how the majority of folk surf the forum...

But if a person comes to the site who is new, and unfamiliar with the site, and wishes to browse thread titles, gun related threads are NOT visible because you have segregated them.

Quit trying to weasel your way out of this, you're wrong and you know it.

Actually, the most likely first stop for a newcomer will be simply rationalia.com, on which "The Gun Club" appears clearly as a subforum of "News, Current Events and Politics". In that position, it has precisely the same standing as does the subforum "Evilution" in "Science, Technology and Environment"; and "The Restaurant", "Gardening", and "The Geek Squad" in "Lifestyle". One could reason that these topics have their own subfora because they are indeed important to many people.

Moreover, this arrangement makes it easier, not harder, for newcomers to find gun related threads.

[Jason]

It's not censorship, although I'm not clear on how it would make us hypocrites if it was, it is categorization. Look around Rationalia and you'll notice we don't glop all topics into one big pot. It was decided that threads centering around gun debates should have their own forum as they had become so many.

So.. what's your beef again?

That the sole and exclusive purpose of this "categorization" is to censor gun discussions by placing them in an obscure corner of the website where idiots without index finger control will not be tasked with scrolling past them.

Your claim is just so much bullshit and you know it. Gun threads were hidden away because some people object to them and don't even want to see a thread in the general news category about guns.

It's pure undiluted censorship.

It's also mendacious intellectual pigmyism.

Ignoring that this is pure nonsense for the moment, everybody should be forced to labor on behalf of the repetitious, antagonistic and willfully intransigent why, exactly?

Quoted for waiting for an answer.

[Jason]

It's not censorship, although I'm not clear on how it would make us hypocrites if it was, it is categorization. Look around Rationalia and you'll notice we don't glop all topics into one big pot. It was decided that threads centering around gun debates should have their own forum as they had become so many.

So.. what's your beef again?

That the sole and exclusive purpose of this "categorization" is to censor gun discussions by placing them in an obscure corner of the website where idiots without index finger control will not be tasked with scrolling past them.

Your claim is just so much bullshit and you know it. Gun threads were hidden away because some people object to them and don't even want to see a thread in the general news category about guns.

It's pure undiluted censorship.

It's also mendacious intellectual pigmyism.

No.

It's an "opt-out" system...

The default is that one sees the Gun Club. One can, if one so chooses, go to the trouble of rooting around in one's control panel, and actively flick the "hide gun club" option. Those who do so aren't "oppressing" you, Seth, they are simply not interested in guns, or debates about guns.

To regard this is censorship is utterly and completely absurd.

It's censorship. It's just censorship you agree with, so you don't consider it censorship.

No. No it isn't. Read a book.

[Jason]

It did not go unnoticed that this "Gun Club" section conveniently appeared right after my arrival. The timing of which, clearly demonstrated the thinking, "OMG not another pro-gun person! I can't stand having to keep looking at these guns threads. Here, let's just make a sub-section for it so we don't have to see it any more."

Not hardly. You flatter yourself.

In fact, if it wasn't for some people responding to your posts I doubt most of them would even be read. You rarely (if ever) contribute anything more than opinion, and usually vacuous, vitriolic, opinion.

[MrJonno]

It's classification, if there were a 100 topics on on the theme of changing the speed limit I would hope the mods would create a subcategory of speed limits or car politics.

Gun's are a niche area, a minor/irrelevant issue to most of the world

I put your IQ at about 85, at best.

Well that would qualify me to get hold of firearms, scary