Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Jason » Tue May 28, 2013 6:56 am

It's hard to argue against the new 'scientific' 'humans are special' argument while the racists are spinning their shit.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Robert_S » Tue May 28, 2013 9:18 am

Seth wrote:
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Hermit wrote:I can hear a sound basis for profiling, but not for racial profiling.
but isn't race a sound basis for profiling?
Outward racial features are fine as part of a suspect's description or photofit, but not when linked to psychological profiling...
Behavior is linked to inheritance. Even our earliest civilized ancestors knew this ten thousand years ago when agriculture and animal domestication were first practiced.
That's observably true. Take dogs, for example. Some breeds are known for their passivity, and others for their aggressiveness.
Take pit bulls for instance...
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 28, 2013 10:36 am

Robert_S wrote:Take pit bulls for instance...
Yep, you can't own one in Florissant. Of course, they have been bred for centuries for their aggressiveness. Strange that you still have to teach them to be aggressive or they're just another dog.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Tyrannical » Tue May 28, 2013 11:33 am

Făkünamę wrote:It's hard to argue against the new 'scientific' 'humans are special' argument while the racists are spinning their shit.
It's neither new or scientific, it is Christian theology; God created Man and loves him equally.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 28, 2013 11:59 am

Define "race", please, using sound scientific evidence to support your position.


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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by rainbow » Tue May 28, 2013 1:37 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Robert_S wrote:Take pit bulls for instance...
Yep, you can't own one in Florissant. Of course, they have been bred for centuries for their aggressiveness. Strange that you still have to teach them to be aggressive or they're just another dog.
Racists have been bred for centuries for their stupidity.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by pinkharrier » Tue May 28, 2013 10:52 pm

I am 99% the same as my sister. Therefore there is no such thing as gender. It is a simple argument for,well, peopie who like easy answers.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Seth » Tue May 28, 2013 10:56 pm

pinkharrier wrote:I am 99% the same as my sister. Therefore there is no such thing as gender. It is a simple argument for,well, peopie who like easy answers.
And yet that 1% difference is significant enough to define gender, gender-based behavior, and many other physical traits and aspects that differ between you and your sister. You falsely assume that it takes more than "1%" difference to differentiate between genders...or presumably races.

It doesn't. Ask any geneticist. That's precisely why the ESA recognizes sub-species as worthy of independent protection.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by FBM » Tue May 28, 2013 10:57 pm

That's morphology, pink. I don't know about others, but the genotype is more important to me than the phenotype. The genes are the same, simply expressed (turned on and off) differently.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by pinkharrier » Tue May 28, 2013 11:02 pm

Wow. You guys are quick.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by pinkharrier » Tue May 28, 2013 11:08 pm

I guess I would go for racial or other profiling if it saved lives. If it did, why not?
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue May 28, 2013 11:09 pm

pinkharrier wrote:Wow. You guys are quick.
You haven't seen quick.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Jason » Wed May 29, 2013 12:37 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Define "race", please, using sound scientific evidence to support your position.
Been there. Done that. :tea:
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by rainbow » Wed May 29, 2013 6:37 am

pinkharrier wrote:I am 99% the same as my sister. Therefore there is no such thing as gender. It is a simple argument for,well, peopie who like easy answers.
It's your stupid argument, so it follows that you like easy answers.
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Re: Is There A Sound Basis For Racial Profiling?

Post by Tyrannical » Wed May 29, 2013 7:48 am

pinkharrier wrote:I am 99% the same as my sister. Therefore there is no such thing as gender. It is a simple argument for,well, peopie who like easy answers.
Ya know, there are kooks out there that do think gender is a social construct.
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