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Guess What - We're ALL Catholics!

Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed May 22, 2013 9:06 pm

Like it or not!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... 20757.html
Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.

During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" to support peace.

Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Pope Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of ​​possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

Responding to the leader of the Roman Catholic church's homily, Father James Martin, S.J. wrote in an email to The Huffington Post:

"Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a "ransom for all." But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.

The pope's comment has also struck a chord on Reddit, where it is the second most-shared piece.

More from Reuters:

Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions - or no religion - work together.

The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily of his morning Mass in his residence, a daily event where he speaks without prepared comments.

He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.

"Just do good and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest: "But I don't believe. I'm an atheist."

Francis's reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.
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Post by klr » Wed May 22, 2013 9:18 pm

Thanks Francis, I'm really relieved to hear that. :smug:
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Post by Seabass » Wed May 22, 2013 9:18 pm

The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!
So I can reap all the benefits of being Catlick, without having to do all the kneeling, confession, communion, kneeling, and all the other silly nonsense Catlicks have to do? Sweet!!!
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Post by klr » Wed May 22, 2013 9:20 pm

... OK, maybe I should acknowledge his speech isn't all bad. I guess even the Pope has to live with the fact that there are plenty of unbelievers atheists.
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The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!
So I can reap all the benefits of being Catlick, without having to do all the kneeling, confession, communion, kneeling, and all the other silly nonsense Catlicks have to do? Sweet!!!
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As an ex-Catholic, I think there is defintely something to this. :eddy:
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed May 22, 2013 9:29 pm

:lol:

If this is true, then the point of churches and all their hierarchy and rules and tithing and control is what? Frankie may need to think through the ramifications of his statements... :tea:
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Post by Svartalf » Wed May 22, 2013 9:40 pm

Lol, feelgood christianity right out of the 60s, I missed that after botherjobs like John Paul and Benny.
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Post by Hermit » Wed May 22, 2013 9:45 pm

And the cycle repeats. Francis is warming up the same soup John XXIII served in the early and mid 1960s.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed May 22, 2013 9:48 pm

My sense is that he's trying a marketing strategy, trying to look like the moderate and inclusive alternative to rising extremism. "See? We're not that bad!"
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu May 23, 2013 1:12 am

Dear Frank,

Thanks for your generous offer of redemption. Unfortunately, I am unable to accept this gift as it does not fucking well exist.

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Post by Tero » Thu May 23, 2013 2:55 am

But what if we use condoms? Surely we will go to hell then.

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Post by JimC » Thu May 23, 2013 2:57 am

Of course it's all woo, and it is also spin, but I'll give the guy a little credit for a greater degree of tolerance and "out-reach" than many other religious leaders, including many previous popes...
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Post by Cormac » Thu May 23, 2013 6:16 am

Hermit wrote:And the cycle repeats. Francis is warming up the same soup John XXIII served in the early and mid 1960s.

Countdown to the pope dying quietly in his sleep?
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Post by Cormac » Thu May 23, 2013 6:19 am

Bella Fortuna wrote::lol:

If this is true, then the point of churches and all their hierarchy and rules and tithing and control is what? Frankie may need to think through the ramifications of his statements... :tea:

Oh, leave them alone! If they want to dress up in brightly coloured satin and lace, leave them be! :hehe:

What I think is funny is that Ratzinger put so much effort into telling people about hell, and about how salvation was only possible through adherence to Catholic dogma, etc

Oh, and so much for their unchanging rules. They're beginning to resemble teenagers with their fuzzy lack of focus.
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Post by Rum » Thu May 23, 2013 6:19 am

Isn't this a sort of reverse Pascal's wager?

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Post by Cormac » Thu May 23, 2013 6:21 am

Rum wrote:Isn't this a sort of reverse Pascal's wager?

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