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Post by Cormac » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:08 pm

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While a paraphrased version of "you can't have an abortion in Ireland because this I a Catholic Country was said, but it was by way of explaining the reason why the law is as it is. It was not intended as a triumphalist declaration of Catholic doctrine.
Intentions are hard to judge, but those it is addressed to could have easily and reasonably taken it as a "triumphalist declaration of Catholic doctrine"

And the effect on those hearing it, in some ways, is the thing that matters...
Indeed. Perception is in the eye of the beholder. In some ways it was a good thing that it was said and reported on. While the utterance had no material impact whatsoever on the case itself, it has served to focus minds on just what sort of "Catholic" bias may or may not be embedded in current law and practice.
But this is evident anyway. The problem with how this particular aspect was handled is that it has labelled ALL the staff involved as arch-Catholics bent on making everyone subject to their benighted Catholic rule.

Whereas, if indeed that rule exists, the staff are as much the victims as the rest of the public.
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Re: How is this shit possible? Woman refused abortion, dies

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:49 pm

Cormac wrote:
klr wrote:
JimC wrote:
Cormac wrote:

While a paraphrased version of "you can't have an abortion in Ireland because this I a Catholic Country was said, but it was by way of explaining the reason why the law is as it is. It was not intended as a triumphalist declaration of Catholic doctrine.
Intentions are hard to judge, but those it is addressed to could have easily and reasonably taken it as a "triumphalist declaration of Catholic doctrine"

And the effect on those hearing it, in some ways, is the thing that matters...
Indeed. Perception is in the eye of the beholder. In some ways it was a good thing that it was said and reported on. While the utterance had no material impact whatsoever on the case itself, it has served to focus minds on just what sort of "Catholic" bias may or may not be embedded in current law and practice.
But this is evident anyway. The problem with how this particular aspect was handled is that it has labelled ALL the staff involved as arch-Catholics bent on making everyone subject to their benighted Catholic rule.

Whereas, if indeed that rule exists, the staff are as much the victims as the rest of the public.
What's "benighted" about it? It's the democratic decision by the majority of the Irish people, and the dissenters just have to suck it up and put up with the tyranny of the majority and not have an abortion, right? That's what all you socialists say about everything else isn't it? Majority rule? Be consistent at least in your Marxist idiocy.

If you want to have an abortion, don't emigrate to Ireland. Go somewhere else, like Philadelphia Pennsylvania, where Dr. Kermit Gosnell will be happy to give you a late-term abortion and snip the spinal cord and crush the skull of your fully delivered, living, breathing, screaming baby using contaminated instruments while sedating you to death with a massive overdose of sedatives while his teenage "assistant" helps him out.

Or at least Dr. Gosnell WOULD have done so, and had been doing so for FORTY YEARS without intervention by the state, and with the support and referrals of Planned Parenthood, until he was arrested and charged with multiple murders.
Planned Parenthood now says it's "appalled" by the Philadelphia house of horrors run by accused serial baby-killer and pregnant-mom murderer Dr. Kermit Gosnell. Bull.

The appalling inaction of the nation's largest abortion provider, along with countless other clinics and "pro-choice" groups in the know, speaks far louder than their belatedly self-serving words.

The criminal trial of Gosnell is entering week six. The death doctor faces seven counts of first-degree murder for severing the spinal cords of babies born alive during abortions. That's in addition to one count of third-degree murder in the death of Karnamaya Mongar, a 41-year-old Bhutanese refugee who died of a monstrously negligent drug overdose at Gosnell's "Women's Medical Society" clinic. Her family has brought a separate civil suit against Gosnell.
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Conservative and pro-life journalists have covered the gruesome case since Gosnell's arrest more than two years ago. Through social media, last week faithful chroniclers of this evil killing spree finally forced national outlets to acknowledge their selective attention to mass murder. While mainstream journalists flogged partisan story lines about the GOP's "war on women," turned birth control crusader Sandra Fluke into the nation's Florence Nightingale and splashed the photos of Sandy Hook children all over their front pages, the mostly poor and minority women and babies victimized by Gosnell went ignored.

The liberal Atlantic magazine admitted last week: It "should be a front-page story." After a relentless Twitter campaign by pro-lifers, The New York Times grudgingly sent a reporter to the trial. But this is so much more than a media malpractice story. It's the nightmarish consequence of medical and ideological malpractice.

As I first noted in my column and on my blog when the scissors-wielding sadist was arrested in January 2011, the murders committed under the banner of "choice" were ignored for four decades by abortion advocates. The Philadelphia grand jury report, now amplified by trial testimony, outlined the systematic execution of hundreds of healthy, living, breathing, squirming viable babies. The panel concluded that the "vast majority of the babies he aborted" were more than 24 weeks old.

Gosnell joked that one murdered baby was so big, the child "could walk around with me."

On Wednesday, clinic worker Kareema Cross said she witnessed between 10 and 15 babies breathing after being delivered by patients who had received labor-inducing drugs. After their spinal cords were cut, Cross recalled babies still moaning and moving after being stuffed in shoeboxes. Their skulls would be crushed after delivery. Their feet and other body parts ended up in row upon row of specimen jars on display in Gosnell's filthy facility.

Gosnell's silent co-conspirators include the abortion clinics in Virginia and Washington, D.C., that referred Mongar and her family, who spoke no English, to his clinic because of its widespread reputation for doing abortions "regardless of gestational age." They also include the left-wing religious and immigrant community activists who "assist" refugees by hooking them up with government-funded "affordable reproductive health services," a.k.a. abortion mills.

Patients were "treated" by unlicensed incompetents, including a young girl groomed from her teenage years. The late-term mothers' wombs and bowels were perforated with infected instruments. Government inspectors "literally licensed Gosnell's criminally dangerous behavior," the Philly grand jury found. The Pennsylvania Department of State was "repeatedly confronted with evidence about Gosnell" -- including the clinic's unclean, unsterile conditions, unlicensed workers, unsupervised sedation, underage abortion patients and over-prescribing of pain pills with high resale value on the street -- "and repeatedly chose to do nothing."

As I noted in 2011, nearby hospital officials who treated some of the pregnant mothers who suffered grave complications from Gosnell's butchery did nothing. And an inspector for the National Abortion Federation, the leading association of abortion providers that is supposed to uphold strict health and legal standards, determined that Gosnell's chamber of horrors was "the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected" -- but did nothing.

Gosnell's enablers have concocted all sorts of excuses for themselves. The billion-dollar abortion racket says "lack of funding" and "access" to "health care" is the real problem. But expanding "access" is exactly how Gosnell got away with murder after bloody murder. As the grand jury revealed, pro-choice bureaucrats in liberal GOP Gov. Tom Ridge's administration concluded that increased inspections "would be 'putting a barrier up to women' seeking abortions. Better to leave clinics to do as they pleased, even though, as Gosnell proved, that meant both women and babies would pay."

Gosnell's enablers also claim that his case is a grisly exception. But I repeat: Deadly indifference to protecting life isn't tangential to the abortion industry's existence -- it's at the core of it. In the past few years alone, Dr. Andrew Rutland of California and Dr. Steven Brigham in Maryland had their medical licenses revoked after their late-term abortion mills were exposed. Like Gosnell, Rutland killed an Asian woman after administering a drug overdose during a late-term abortion procedure. Like Gosnell, Brigham stored the bodies of late-term fetuses in freezers.

Just this week, the state of Delaware announced an investigation of several Planned Parenthood clinics after botched abortions and the resignations of two registered nurses who witnessed malpractice. Surgical abortions have been halted at one of the facilities. "What I believe should happen is that Planned Parenthood should no longer be self-regulated," Joyce Vasikonis told The News Journal.

Even as it disavows Gosnell's "criminal enterprise," Planned Parenthood's lobbyist in Florida officially testified three weeks ago that the group believes the decision to save a baby born alive after a botched abortion "should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician."

The sanctity of "privacy" and "choice" trumps the sanctity of life, you see. It's how all abortion profiteers get away with murder.

Washington Examiner Columnist Michelle Malkin, author of "Culture of Corruption: Obama and his Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks & Cronies," is nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate.
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Re: How is this shit possible? Woman refused abortion, dies

Post by surreptitious57 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:56 pm

Seth wrote:
It is the democratic decision by the majority of the Irish people and the dissenters just have to suck it up and put
up with the tyranny of the majority and not have an abortion right . That is what all you socialists say
about everything else is not . Majority rule . Be consistent at least in your Marxist idiocy
This should be a new topic but never the less I shall post it here
Ireland is a democracy : And in a democracy majority decisions rule
Do you have a better system : Because if you do I would love to hear it
And do not say Libertarianism : That pertains to the individual not the state
What I am talking about is a system of governmemt : So what is this alternative
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Post by MiM » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:12 pm

The one with the most firepower rules, or with the toughest thugs. :dunno:
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MiM wrote:The one with the most firepower rules, or with the toughest thugs. :dunno:
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Post by JimC » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:27 pm

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MiM wrote:The one with the most firepower rules, or with the toughest thugs. :dunno:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:32 pm

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Post by Seth » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:46 pm

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It is the democratic decision by the majority of the Irish people and the dissenters just have to suck it up and put
up with the tyranny of the majority and not have an abortion right . That is what all you socialists say
about everything else is not . Majority rule . Be consistent at least in your Marxist idiocy
This should be a new topic but never the less I shall post it here
Ireland is a democracy : And in a democracy majority decisions rule
Do you have a better system : Because if you do I would love to hear it
And do not say Libertarianism : That pertains to the individual not the state
What I am talking about is a system of governmemt : So what is this alternative
And nothing from your imagination : Real world examples please not fictional Utopias
The United States of America, which is a constitutional republic that uses some limited democratic processes.

In a constitutional republic, the majority does NOT rule in every case.

This is not the case in Socialist "democracies" which instead disregard and disrespect the rights of the individual in favor of the whims of the collective. This cuts both ways, as we see here. In most leftist democracies, the liberal morality rules, but in religious democracies, as in Ireland and some Islamic states, the same thing occurs only with opposite polarity.

The point being I'm making a direct answer to the question in the OP, "How is this shit possible."

It's possible because the tyranny of the majority is always a bad thing, be it communistic or fascistic, so it's a stupid question to ask. It happened because individual rights were disrespected.

And Libertarianism has everything to do with government. It's a system that favors individual rights over government power.
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Post by MiM » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:06 am

If you really believe that democracy outside the USA is the same thing as "majority rules in every case" or "tyranny of the majority", I can understand your disgust of it. But I would also suggest that you educate yourself on the issue. You can take Wikipedia as a starting point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy.
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MiM wrote:If you really believe that democracy outside the USA is the same thing as "majority rules in every case" or "tyranny of the majority", I can understand your disgust of it. But I would also suggest that you educate yourself on the issue. You can take Wikipedia as a starting point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy.
Sorry, but without an enforceable constitution that guarantees the rights of the individual over the desires of the collective, that's exactly what every democracy is, or can become at the whims and caprices of the electorate.

I don't care to put my trust in the collective to protect my rights. I'll insist on a Constitution and the arms to enforce that social contract if necessary.
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Post by MiM » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:19 am

And how many places are there that doesn't have a constitution, with rights for the individuals and minorities spelled out in it, for example in Europe?
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MiM wrote:And how many places are there that doesn't have a constitution, with rights for the individuals and minorities spelled out in it, for example in Europe?
If you review those constitutions carefully you will find that they give lip service to individual rights but always weasel out of actually prohibiting government from defining those rights to begin with...or undefining them.
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Post by MiM » Wed May 01, 2013 6:22 am

...and the constitution of the USA is for ever completely unchangeable, Hallelujah! :fp2:
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MiM wrote:...and the constitution of the USA is for ever completely unchangeable, Hallelujah! :fp2:
No, it's amendable, but if you want to change the Constitution, you have to go through the appointed process to do so. You don't get to do so by legislative or judicial fiat, you have to follow the processes laid out in the Constitution itself.
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Post by MiM » Thu May 02, 2013 6:37 am

And you think that's not the case in other countries? You are absolutely hilarious :fp2: :funny:
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