Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:35 pm

A novel way of suicide? Take the audience with you? :coffee:
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:42 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:It will, I'm sure, be made practical. it, and the same thing for contact lenses, will certainly become a reality. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/0 ... y-glasses/

Eventually, an implant will be possible which will be connected to the nervous system.

It's coming, and nothing will stop it.
Imagine a world where certain people or machines/software are able to monitor your thoughts and moods... :?
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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:47 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:It will, I'm sure, be made practical. it, and the same thing for contact lenses, will certainly become a reality. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/0 ... y-glasses/

Eventually, an implant will be possible which will be connected to the nervous system.

It's coming, and nothing will stop it.
Imagine a world where certain people or machines/software are able to monitor your thoughts and moods... :?
It will happen. But, when that happens, you won't be "you" in the sense of a discrete individual.

If we don't destroy ourselves first, we will be able to expand into the solar system and galaxy --- we won't go as the same kind of humans as we are now, though. We'll be interconnected -- Borg-like.

There is no reason that eventually criminality will be eliminated by manipulating the structure of the brain. We can put ourselves back in the Garden of Eden....

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Post by cronus » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:56 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:It will, I'm sure, be made practical. it, and the same thing for contact lenses, will certainly become a reality. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/0 ... y-glasses/

Eventually, an implant will be possible which will be connected to the nervous system.

It's coming, and nothing will stop it.
Imagine a world where certain people or machines/software are able to monitor your thoughts and moods... :?
It will happen. But, when that happens, you won't be "you" in the sense of a discrete individual.

If we don't destroy ourselves first, we will be able to expand into the solar system and galaxy --- we won't go as the same kind of humans as we are now, though. We'll be interconnected -- Borg-like.

There is no reason that eventually criminality will be eliminated by manipulating the structure of the brain. We can put ourselves back in the Garden of Eden....
Hubris...heard it all before. Every technical innovation promises heaven and delivers hell or very close. You want the future? Imagine a virtual boot stamping in 3d technicolor on everything you hold dear forever and ever.
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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by Jason » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:38 pm

Imagine a world where you can buy a product and not actually own it.

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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:44 pm

Scrumple wrote:
Hubris...heard it all before. Every technical innovation promises heaven and delivers hell or very close. You want the future? Imagine a virtual boot stamping in 3d technicolor on everything you hold dear forever and ever.
Well, this is manifestly untrue. Technological innovation has brought warmth in winter, coolness in summer, plentiful food to billions, and a standard of living that dwarfs even that of royalty up through the 19th century.

Man imposes a boot, but technical innovations have brought tremendous benefits to mankind. It has also brought a fair bit of horror, but to say "every" technical innovations delivers hell.... if that's true, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and go live in a cave and forage for your food.

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Post by cronus » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:50 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
Hubris...heard it all before. Every technical innovation promises heaven and delivers hell or very close. You want the future? Imagine a virtual boot stamping in 3d technicolor on everything you hold dear forever and ever.
Well, this is manifestly untrue. Technological innovation has brought warmth in winter, coolness in summer, plentiful food to billions, and a standard of living that dwarfs even that of royalty up through the 19th century.

Man imposes a boot, but technical innovations have brought tremendous benefits to mankind. It has also brought a fair bit of horror, but to say "every" technical innovations delivers hell.... if that's true, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and go live in a cave and forage for your food.
Yes, some technical fixes have delivered a short-term benefit but now we have climate change, a massive unmanageable population with a unsustainable ageing demographic, a standard of living built on workfare, bonded slavelabour, a debt crisis around the world, deadly diseases incubating in overcrowded ghetto's around the world...a empire built on sand. I'd be safer in a cave and foraging.
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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by Jason » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:56 pm

This isn't the first time for any of those things.. and we are still here. :tea:

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:00 pm

Not "short term" benefits -- long term benefits. Well, depending on what you consider long and short term.

If you live in a cave foraging, you'd likely be dead by 35 years old.

it is only technological innovation which can save mankind from relative near term extinction (on the order of 1,000 odd years or less,or so, roughly). No matter what, humanity's days have far fewer numbers without technology than with it. We need humanity off this rock, so all our eggs are not in one basket. Failing that -- we will go extinct soon.

Given that the universe is probably finite, there is no likely way to avoid eventual extinction. But, that is not certain, either. It may be that humanity could learn how to escape even that doom. One thing is for sure, if we don't get off this rock, we certainly never will escape that doom. If we do get off this rock, we may have some chance.

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Post by Jason » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:02 pm

We've got what? 3.5 billion years to do it? No pressure.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:18 pm

Făkünamę wrote:We've got what? 3.5 billion years to do it? No pressure.
No. Humanity is very likely to suffer extinction in more like the next 1000 years, or if not extinction then nearly so, with certainly the complete or near complete collapse of civilization.

3.5 billion years? Not a chance. There will be another ice age long before that, as there have been ice ages over and over again. The last one ended what? 10,000 years ago?

The Yellowstone Caldera would likely destroy civilization as we know it, and that has erupted many times in the past. Vulcanism, large asteroids -- nuclear war -- there are many things that will doom us. The Earth may have billions of years, but the earth was here billions of years before we got here too. Nothing says that human existence will be coextensive with the Earth.

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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by MiM » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:29 pm

And humans have survived for 50 000 - 200 000 years (depending on what you count as "human"), before civilization, and you claim that a few hundred (or thousands, again depending on how you count) years into it, we have only 1000 more years to go. Well that's an argument for civilization and technology, if I ever heard one. :fp2:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:32 pm

MiM wrote:And humans have survived for 50 000 - 200 000 years (depending on what you count as "human"), before civilization, and you claim that a few hundred (or thousands, again depending on how you count) years into it, we have only 1000 more years to go. Well that's an argument for civilization and technology, if I ever heard one. :fp2:
Mainly, I'm not arguing that every last one of us will for sure be gone in 1000 years, but that a great number of things (not technology driven) will depopulate us to the point that our civilization will be gone and we we would have to rebound from that to get us off the planet.

The Yellowstone Caldera is not a human technological event, and it is very likely to erupt, and can erupt at any time, and most of us will die from it. It may erupt tomorrow, or it may erupt on the order of thousands of years, but it has erupted many times in the past, seemingly cyclically.

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Re: Project glass - new and cool or Big Brotherish?

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:40 pm

Humans are going to die out. This age of progress is a empty promise and every critical issue is pushed onto the next generation until hey presto a generation with insurmountable issues and then civilization collapse. The few survivors will have to deal with a unpredictable climate and living in the ruins of all that has gone, with chemical hazards and everything. I don't know why I even argue the case when it is self evident from the record of other great apes that dying out is very common.
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