Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by rachelbean » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:50 am

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hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

But who knows?
So apparently she's preaching tolerance for the intolerant.

In other music bigotry news: http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/20/dropkick- ... ricks-day/
Oh man, I was going to be shocked/disappointed but it turned out exactly what I would have expected from them :hehe:

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Post by rachelbean » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:58 am

As for her apology I think it sounds legitimate. The detail and language she used makes sense with what I know about her. If it truly is a gross misunderstanding, that's unfortunate.

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Robert_S » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:27 am

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Robert_S wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

But who knows?
So apparently she's preaching tolerance for the intolerant.

In other music bigotry news: http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/20/dropkick- ... ricks-day/
Oh man, I was going to be shocked/disappointed but it turned out exactly what I would have expected from them :hehe:
Good to see the young kids keeping up the fine old traditions.
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by JimC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:32 am

Says the ancient one...

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Post by Robert_S » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:44 am

JimC wrote:Says the ancient one...

:hehe:
I know! :sigh:

It's been almost six years since the last time I've been in a proper pit. :cane:
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Post by rachelbean » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:48 am

I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old :lay:

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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:33 am

rachelbean wrote:I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old :lay:
You are such an old crone!

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Post by Robert_S » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:40 am

rachelbean wrote:I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old :lay:
I bet it was a great show though.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:14 pm

A recording of the Shocked incident... https://soundcloud.com/therealtofuandwh ... 2nd-yoshis
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:47 pm

I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).

I suspect she's wrong on the Jesus thing, though. LOL

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Robert_S » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:44 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).

I suspect she's wrong on the Jesus thing, though. LOL
It's just fear mongering. Nobody has proposed that Presbyterian ministers be forced to perform weddings for Wiccans much less any church be forced to marry same gender couples.
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by JimC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:55 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).

I suspect she's wrong on the Jesus thing, though. LOL
Ezactly. In Oz, a higher and higher proportion of marriages are being done by civil celebrants anyway. I have no issue with churches refusing to marry gay couples, but they ought not have a say in whether the state allows it or not.

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:41 pm

OK... I think she's a loon. How very contrite of her. :roll:

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by hadespussercats » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:09 pm

Yeah. She's bonkers.
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by klr » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:12 pm

A fruitcake alright. She's a lost cause.
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