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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by rachelbean » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:08 pm

Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by cronus » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:32 pm

rachelbean wrote:Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
He muttered something about Salman Rushdie must die but otherwise...religion of peace and everything.... :coffee:
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Robert_S » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:37 pm

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rachelbean wrote:Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
He muttered something about Salman Rushdie must die but otherwise...religion of peace and everything.... :coffee:
Yep. all peace and love 'till you say the wrong thing.

Also http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/cat-ste ... se-1.32282
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by klr » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:39 pm

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rachelbean wrote:Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
He muttered something about Salman Rushdie must die but otherwise...religion of peace and everything.... :coffee:
Yep. all peace and love 'till you say the wrong thing.

Also http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/cat-ste ... se-1.32282
... or if you're a woman outside his close family who tries to embrace him during an awards ceremony:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Steven ... iled_women
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:32 pm

rachelbean wrote:Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by klr » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:44 pm

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:50 pm

The money was just resting in his account............
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:06 pm

I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by klr » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:13 pm

Who knows indeed. If it was a mistake, she displayed an appalling lack of judgement, never mind abysmal failure to communicate properly. Given how long she's been in the music business, those seem strange mistakes to make.

On the other hand, a hardcore believer wouldn't be put off by all the fallout, and wouldn't make such a quick apology - not even to resuscitate tour/career prospects. Or so I'd like to think, but what do I know? :hehe:
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by rachelbean » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:15 pm

klr wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
rachelbean wrote:Has Cat Steven's made bigoted remarks? Everything I've heard him say, even after his conversion, has been full of peace and love, but maybe I've missed something :ask:
He muttered something about Salman Rushdie must die but otherwise...religion of peace and everything.... :coffee:
Yep. all peace and love 'till you say the wrong thing.

Also http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/cat-ste ... se-1.32282
... or if you're a woman outside his close family who tries to embrace him during an awards ceremony:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Steven ... iled_women
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Robert_S » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:41 pm

hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

But who knows?
So apparently she's preaching tolerance for the intolerant.

In other music bigotry news: http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/20/dropkick- ... ricks-day/
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:23 am

klr wrote:
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Scrumple wrote:Still like her stuff from the good old days but it'll always be tainted now, which is a pity because the eighties stuff was, and is, quite good. :dunno:
Bit like Cat Stevens, I suppose... :sigh:
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:11 am

hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

But who knows?
Seeing that the apology came after two days of silence, only after all those gigs were cancelled and her publicist quit, I'm sceptical...
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by hadespussercats » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:25 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.

I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.

But who knows?
Seeing that the apology came after two days of silence, only after all those gigs were cancelled and her publicist quit, I'm sceptical...
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Re: Michelle Shocked Anti-Gay Rant

Post by JimC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:48 am

klr wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
JimC wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Still like her stuff from the good old days but it'll always be tainted now, which is a pity because the eighties stuff was, and is, quite good. :dunno:
Bit like Cat Stevens, I suppose... :sigh:
....or Bob Dylan.
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