Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[Kristie]

Duplicate...

[Kristie]

Blind groper was talking about a total gun ban.

Not quite.

I was talking of as close to a total ban on hand guns as is possible.
As I said before, I am not really too concerned about even assault rifles, since they kill very few people.    Hand guns kill 8,000 people each year in the USA.   Therefore, to eliminate, or reduce in number, the hand guns, will achieve far more in terms of saving human lives than attacking any other sector.

Hunting rifles and shotguns are fine, as far as I am concerned, as long as they are accompanied by rational precautions.   To get the right to drive a car, you have to pass tests, and get a licence.  I see this same precaution as quite OK for a hunting rifle or shotgun.  However, hand guns are inferior weapons for hunting, kill large numbers of innocent people,  and, if restricted to the police, would mean a hell of a lot of human lives saved.

If any American, like Seth and Gallstones, is so damn paranoid as to think they need guns to fend off a totalitarian government, then hand guns are close to useless anyway.   A long gun is far more useful.

And, seeing as how the military is much better armed than regular citizens, I can't imagine any type of gun that is obtainable by a citizen is going to help at all.  They would need tanks and missile launchers and Black Hawk helicopters and drones.  Assault rifles and handguns would be useless.

This point has been made repeatedly. When I said it over on RatSkep I was met with vague boasting that they wouldn't just be lone individuals facing down the government, but were organized. Wowee!

At one point one of the "cold-dead-hands-club", reaching for an example of citizens successfully fighting off the gov't, pointed to Waco. Maybe they forgot that that one didn't work out so well.

I like how they say things like, "you anti gunners will be hiding begind all of us gun nuts come the revolution". Uh, no. I'll be on the side with all the big, bad war weapons, not the side with automatic guns.

[FBM]

Yeah, no guerrilla army has ever caused problems for the gov't in power.

[FBM]

Blind groper was talking about a total gun ban.

Not quite.

I was talking of as close to a total ban on hand guns as is possible.
...

My bad. I should have read further back in the thread.

[Gallstones]

The United States is NOT a Democracy.
It is a Constitutional Republic.

The majority does not rule.
The majority is retarded and lazy and barely deserving of a vote.

The "majority" can think and want and wish and hope and expect anything it wants. It is not entitled to a damn thing for it.

[Gallstones]

Blind groper was talking about a total gun ban.

Not quite.

I was talking of as close to a total ban on hand guns as is possible.
As I said before, I am not really too concerned about even assault rifles, since they kill very few people.    Hand guns kill 8,000 people each year in the USA.   Therefore, to eliminate, or reduce in number, the hand guns, will achieve far more in terms of saving human lives than attacking any other sector.

Hunting rifles and shotguns are fine, as far as I am concerned, as long as they are accompanied by rational precautions.   To get the right to drive a car, you have to pass tests, and get a licence.  I see this same precaution as quite OK for a hunting rifle or shotgun.  However, hand guns are inferior weapons for hunting, kill large numbers of innocent people,  and, if restricted to the police, would mean a hell of a lot of human lives saved.

If any American, like Seth and Gallstones, is so damn paranoid as to think they need guns to fend off a totalitarian government, then hand guns are close to useless anyway.   A long gun is far more useful.

And, seeing as how the military is much better armed than regular citizens, I can't imagine any type of gun that is obtainable by a citizen is going to help at all.  They would need tanks and missile launchers and Black Hawk helicopters and drones.  Assault rifles and handguns would be useless.

This point has been made repeatedly. When I said it over on RatSkep I was met with vague boasting that they wouldn't just be lone individuals facing down the government, but were organized. Wowee!

At one point one of the "cold-dead-hands-club", reaching for an example of citizens successfully fighting off the gov't, pointed to Waco. Maybe they forgot that that one didn't work out so well.

I like how they say things like, "you anti gunners will be hiding begind all of us gun nuts come the revolution". Uh, no. I'll be on the side with all the big, bad war weapons, not the side with automatic guns.

C'est la guerre.
There are other options.

You won't be hiding behind me.
Your POV is naive and childishly assinine.
Please, remain as ignorant--and opinionated--as you are. That will truely be the most useful.

Next time you need information, PM somebody else.

[FBM]

Wiki says we're a "Federal presidential constitutional republic." It also lists the US as a democracy, so those designations are not mutually exclusive:

Countries

The following countries are categorized by the Democracy Index 2011 as Full democracy:[52]

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Denmark
4. Sweden
5. New Zealand

6. Australia
7. Switzerland
8. Canada
9. Finland
10. Netherlands

11. Luxembourg
12. Ireland
13. Austria
14. Germany
15. Malta

16. Czech Republic
17. Uruguay
18. United Kingdom
19. United States
20. Costa Rica

21. Japan
22. South Korea
23. Belgium
24. Mauritius
25. Spain

[Gallstones]

Wiki is wrong.
Unless you use this page.

There is no majority rule in the US.

[Gallstones]

Is this an assault rifle?


Hoplophiles please give non-hoplophiles first response.

[Blind groper]

Is this an assault rifle?

I do not give a shit.

As I said, the major problem is not rifles, but hand guns.

[Gallstones]

Is this an assault rifle?

I do not give a shit.

As I said, the major problem is not rifles, but hand guns.

I do not give a shit what you think or what you want or what you think we should think or want or do in the US.
It is none of your fucking business.

I have made a valid point, one you can't be bothered or are too ignorant to reply to it. That tells me much about your knowedge and the validity of your POV. I wipe my ass with your wishes and then flush them.

[FBM]

I guess that's why Wiki sucks as a source. Here's the CIA World Factbook:

Government ::UNITED STATES
Country name:

conventional long form: United States of America
conventional short form: United States
abbreviation: US or USA
Government type:

Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/us.html

But we've already got one 'democracy derail' thread, let's not start another, plz.

[Blind groper]

I do not give a shit what you think or what you want or what you think we should think or want or do in the US.
It is none of your fucking business.

In case it escaped your notice, Gallstones, this is a forum debate.
A debate is a discussion in which various parties express their views. I am expressing mine. If you do not like that, tough!

Diverting the debate into questions about rifles is your business, but it has nothing to do with the real issue, which is the 8,000 people who lose their lives each year to bullets fired from hand guns.

[JimC]

The United States is NOT a Democracy.
It is a Constitutional Republic.

The majority does not rule.
The majority is retarded and lazy and barely deserving of a vote.

The "majority" can think and want and wish and hope and expect anything it wants. It is not entitled to a damn thing for it.

Elitist crap, with a definite flavour of National Socialism...

Who do you propose to send to the death camps first?

People scared of guns?

[Woodbutcher]

I'm starting to realize why GS can't keep a man. Even gun nuts see soon enough that she is gone to the gun cult and ready to fucking spray bullets any time. I know that this is not going to make any difference to Seth and GS, but if 99% of the world population thinks you are fucking nuts, then you are fucking nuts, not a genius who is misunderstood. Also, your constitutional right to bear any arms is a piece of shit paper to 99.9% of the world population, and nobody gives a fuck. By all means, form gun cults and communes; the legitimate government has not ruled out drone attacks on americans on american soil...