Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[Gallstones]

dupe

[Kristie]

Again: Guns are way more funner.
I love the aesthetics of guns, I love the science of guns, I love shooting guns, I love having and collecting guns, I love learning the history of guns, I love guns, and I love sharing that passion with other people who feel as I do about them.

Really?!?!? And my replies are based on emotion?! I declare your opinion hereby invalid!! Lol

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hattori Honzo had it right.

[Gallstones]

Again: Guns are way more funner.
I love the aesthetics of guns, I love the science of guns, I love shooting guns, I love having and collecting guns, I love learning the history of guns, I love guns, and I love sharing that passion with other people who feel as I do about them.

Really?!?!? And my replies are based on emotion?! I declare your opinion hereby invalid!! Lol

And the award for Lamest Quote Mine and Removal of Context goes to.........Kristie!

You are a contender for the Avoids Answering Questions Posed award, and the Provides No Support for Opinions award too.

Congratulations and good luck.

[orpheus]

Again: Guns are way more funner.
I love the aesthetics of guns, I love the science of guns, I love shooting guns, I love having and collecting guns, I love learning the history of guns, I love guns, and I love sharing that passion with other people who feel as I do about them.

Really?!?!? And my replies are based on emotion?! I declare your opinion hereby invalid!! Lol

And the award for Lamest Quote Mine and Removal of Context goes to.........Kristie!

You are a contender for the Avoids Answering Questions Posed award, and the Provides No Support for Opinions award too.

Congratulations and good luck.

And the award for Most Glaring Evasion of Question by Ignoring Context goes to.........Gallstones!

The context - given by you, in fact - was about weapons used for violence:

Violence is not caused by weapons. Weapons are used for violence and there are many weapons.

ayep

Hands are weapons, like knives are and 2 x 4's.
So why choose one type?

Yes, why? Good question for you, GS. Why are guns so important? Wouldn't a knife or hands or 2X4s be just as good? Because guns allow one to kill more efficiently./quote]

You said why you prefer guns. Not why those who commit violence with guns choose them. Unless you'd have us believe that they, like you, love the aesthetics, the science, etc. of them, and that "guns are way more funner".

And not just criminals; why do people choose guns for self-defense? (I assume you don't, since efficiency as a killing tool isn't part of why you keep them.)

In short, you've attempted a neat sidestep around the essential point about the importance of guns as a weapon of choice.

[orpheus]

Well worded reply.  Exactly what I expected from someone like you.

You are advocating placing restrictions on people--restrictions that amount to a violation of a fundamental Right--and you don't even know the subject. You just eructate terms. 

What other kind of response is warranted when presented with that kind of ignorant hubris?

This is interesting. You, GS, and Seth tend to trot out this "argument" of anti-gun people "not knowing the subject". But you seem to think the subject is "guns". But it's not. The real subject (if we're going to specify) is "the role of guns in violence in society". You don't have to have fired a gun to know this subject.

So. Do you know the subject - the real subject? Are you an expert in that field of societal study? It seems - from what you and Seth have posted, that you certainly don't know the real subject better than anyone else here. Moreover, you evince a distinct bias since you have a personal stake in the matter.

You seem to think you know the real subject.
"Subjects" are a dime a dozen even with inflation.
How about the real problem?

Gun violence is about psychology, and sociology. It is not about guns. The irrational and the lazy want to make it about guns rather than do the hard work of gathering data and thinking about how to address the psychology and sociology of what makes people violent. Doing that should address the real problem.

I have nowhere, ever suggested that I have any expertise in either of those.
What is your expertise, enlighten me?

GS, you were the one who introduced the term "subject", not me. It's right there, up above.

Moreover, I never said I had any expertise in the subject. That's a curious surmise on your part. I merely pointed out that you and other pro-gun folk often say we know nothing about "the subject", and that it's a stupid thing to say, for the reasons I've already given.

[Jason]

Seems to me you're both on the same wavelength: Guns are not the issue - society (and all that entails) is the issue.

[orpheus]

Seems to me you're both on the same wavelength: Guns are not the issue - society (and all that entails) is the issue.

Not exactly. The issue at hand is the place of guns in societal violence. Guns do not cause violence. (Though that's the sort of simplistic thing gun proponents say people like me believe.) But they make it a hell of a lot easier for people to do a hell of a lot more damage a hell of a lot quicker and a hell of a lot more reliably. To say that guns play no part of the problem is to believe in a fairy story.

If guns really were not at issue at all - if one weapon is as good as another (as GS seems to contend), then all those who choose them for self-defense could equally well choose fists. And we'd be at pains to explain why all those criminals choose to use guns to do violence.

[Jason]

Yep. You and I have been over this several months ago. I know what you're saying.

I just think you and Gallstones aren't holding opinions as disparate as either of you may think.

[orpheus]

Yep. You and I have been over this several months ago. I know what you're saying.

You're right.

I just think you and Gallstones aren't holding opinions as disparate as either of you may think.

You may be right. But GS seems to insist that guns play no part in the problem at all.

[Blind groper]

I have asked you twice already which firearms--specifically--do you IYO think should be banned?
Why, IYO, those particular firearms?
What is it about them, IYO, that warrants banning them?

I have been away for a few days, and missed a lot of posts. But I will answer the query above, from my very logical, rational and sensible view point.

The guns to be banned are any gun small enough to be concealed on a person. Mostly, that means hand guns.

Why? For the simple reason that such guns are the ones that kill the most humans. 50% of all murders in the USA are carried out with hand guns. Rifles, shotguns, machine guns etc., all kill a total of only one sixth of all murders.

In addition, hand guns are decidedly inferior for legitimate uses such as putting meat on the table, and eliminating pests.

So the focus should be on banning hand guns, and thus reducing the death toll from homicide.

[Kristie]

Again: Guns are way more funner.
I love the aesthetics of guns, I love the science of guns, I love shooting guns, I love having and collecting guns, I love learning the history of guns, I love guns, and I love sharing that passion with other people who feel as I do about them.

Really?!?!? And my replies are based on emotion?! I declare your opinion hereby invalid!! Lol

And the award for Lamest Quote Mine and Removal of Context goes to.........Kristie!

You are a contender for the Avoids Answering Questions Posed award, and the Provides No Support for Opinions award too.

Congratulations and good luck.

That was not quite mining. It was proving you are emotionally vested in you precious guns!
I only answer questions I want to answer, questions I have time to answer and questions deserving if answers. Most of yours don't fit any of that criteria!

[orpheus]

I have asked you twice already which firearms--specifically--do you IYO think should be banned?
Why, IYO, those particular firearms?
What is it about them, IYO, that warrants banning them?

I have been away for a few days, and missed a lot of posts. But I will answer the query above, from my very logical, rational and sensible view point.

The guns to be banned are any gun small enough to be concealed on a person. Mostly, that means hand guns.

Why? For the simple reason that such guns are the ones that kill the most humans. 50% of all murders in the USA are carried out with hand guns. Rifles, shotguns, machine guns etc., all kill a total of only one sixth of all murders.

In addition, hand guns are decidedly inferior for legitimate uses such as putting meat on the table, and eliminating pests.

So the focus should be on banning hand guns, and thus reducing the death toll from homicide.

That makes sense to me.

[Jason]

A person may be emotionally invested in any device which facilitates the easement of their life. For example, your car may take to to work, to the grocery store, to Target, and you may have an emotional investment in it. Quite understandable.

I don't see how being emotionally invested in anything is an automatic disqualification of that person's opinions.

[Jason]

I have asked you twice already which firearms--specifically--do you IYO think should be banned?
Why, IYO, those particular firearms?
What is it about them, IYO, that warrants banning them?

I have been away for a few days, and missed a lot of posts. But I will answer the query above, from my very logical, rational and sensible view point.

The guns to be banned are any gun small enough to be concealed on a person. Mostly, that means hand guns.

Why? For the simple reason that such guns are the ones that kill the most humans. 50% of all murders in the USA are carried out with hand guns. Rifles, shotguns, machine guns etc., all kill a total of only one sixth of all murders.

In addition, hand guns are decidedly inferior for legitimate uses such as putting meat on the table, and eliminating pests.

So the focus should be on banning hand guns, and thus reducing the death toll from homicide.

That makes sense to me.

I agree absolutely - 100% in the same sense that I'd agree to a similar argument for the abolishing of nuclear weapons. Nice, but no where near to reality.

Go scuba diving. Photograph some nice fish. The rest of us will live in the real world.